Family Search or the IGI

[BarbaraW]

I've just seen in a FB group an original image found in Family Search. I've never used the IGI extensively as I've never had much luck with it. However this morning I think I've found one of my lot but there is only a transcription. Are there images for every single item or just a select few does anybody know? The item was posted with a link that took you right to a BT online.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... C982213501

I know there is something about using Hugh Wallis (???) numbering system but it's so long ago now that I've forgotten what it was. Can somebody please give me a refresher on using this site. TIA.

[MaryA]

Not all transcriptions have original images attached. For a short while they set up a project whereby you could request a copy of the original - for free - but I don't know why but this system didn't last very long. Some of the entries linked to some images on subscription sites, eg Findmypast so to take you to it you needed to have a sub.

The links to Hugh Wallis's indexes and also a newer one more recently set up, which I believe may be more up to date and include additional information, are on this post http://forum.liverpool-genealogy.org.uk ... ugh+wallis

[BarbaraW]

Thank you Mary and yes you were right not all have images, the man from the FB group replied to me. None for Liverpool at all though many in other areas.

This is the way you can get to them if you desire. Also the censuses 1841 - 1911 are here so that's a good thing!!

https://familysearch.org/search/collect ... Id=1986340

[BarbaraW]

*** updated to add:

It's only the index for the censuses, by clicking on it, there's a button that takes you to Find My Past.....

[MaryA]

*** updated to add:

It's only the index for the censuses, by clicking on it, there's a button that takes you to Find My Past.....

Yes I would have been surprised to find you could access the census images!

I would suspect the lack of Liverpool images is because they are well served on Ancestry.

[BarbaraW]

Thanks Mary.

My grandmother was christened at St Peter's according to the IGI. I don't think there are any records online anywhere are there?

I do have her birth certificate but I'm now interested in her siblings as on the 1911 censuses which I only recently accessed it says her mother had 11 live births with only 5 surviving children (it's a wonder I'm even here. )

** updated to say now I can't find her on the IGI yet I clearly saw it today on my works oopps... tablet, now I'm on my laptop I can't find it no matter how much or how little information I put in.

Her name was Ethel Pritchard and she was born in Hibbert Street, Everton in 1901, her father was John Pritchard and her mother was Mary Ellen nee Brown, I can see a few of her sibling including Minnie who I vaguely remember but none for Ethel..........

[MaryA]

There are great gaps in the records for St Peters online, most have to be searched on microfilm at the RO.

[BarbaraW]

I think I've found about 8 of them so far on a combination of Ancestry and the IGI. I don't live too far from an LDS centre, do you still order the microfilms and fiche like before do you or anybody know and go along to the centre to search them? It's been MANY years since I've done that.

[MaryA]

I believe they don't hold everything there, you need to order and they let you know when the film has arrived, the cost used to be around £3 a film.

[BarbaraW]

Still ploughing through Mary. Can you believe my grandmother was born in November 1901 and the Anc parish register for St Peter's abruptly ends at July 1901?

[lynne99]

I had similar problems with St peter's. My G Grandmother was born 1849 from 1851 census. Her older siblings were baptised at St Peter's but 1849 and the last half of 1848 is missing from Lancashire on line parish clerk and I cannot find it anywhere else. This is compounded by no registration to be found. I know she did exist though as I have a photo !!

[BarbaraW]

It's so frustrating Lyn I couldn't believe it when it abruptly stopped!!

I have found 9 of the 13 (not 11 as I said earlier) children born to John and Mary Ellen, well I already knew the 5 who survived as they are on the 1811 census as a family, so maybe the others died within hours or days of birth? What happened in those circumstances in the 1880's to 1900's? Did they have to be registered as well as according to the 1911 census the children were born live?

Or maybe the other 5 children are just not on Ancestry or the IGI? Well there are some more on the IGI but it gives too few details to be certain as I've found 2 other families with the same parents on Ancestry but the father has the wrong occupation or they don't live in the area I would expect to find them.

I'd love to buy all their birth or death certificates but really don't have that kind of money to spare. I'm ploughing through as many free online sources as I can.

The family seems to have lived in Dorrington Street, Rose Vale and Hibbert Street up until 1901 where my grandmother was born.

Where are the children most likely to have been buried?

[MaryA]

Some suggestions here http://forum.liverpool-genealogy.org.uk ... =14&t=5739

[BarbaraW]

Thanks Mary, most likely Everton Cemetery then........

[MaryA]

Are you basing that on location? Anfield and West Derby were probably more popular and I'm assuming you have already checked Walton Park on Ancestry and also Ford in the RC burials?

[BarbaraW]

Yes Mary I was basing it on location.

Nothing in Walton Park on Ancestry and I know for sure my grandmothers family were not RC.

So you think it more likely Anfield or West Derby rather than Everton? I can't seem to find out much about Everton cemetery and of course I've looked at all those online grave sites which don't have a whole lot of info about Liverpool on them.

[MaryA]

The newer cemeteries would have becoming more popular, mind you if you plan on a day a the RO, start from Anfield but you may need to work your way through all of them.

[Blue70]

My Atkinson people were buried in Everton Cemetery. Great, Great Grandparents living in Field Street both buried there in 1910s. Great Grandparents living in Prince Edwin Street 1930s/50s both buried there.


Blue

[BarbaraW]

Blue as you are most certainly an Evertonian by your name, which cemetery would you go for first?

If a child was born alive but died within hours or days did they still have to be registered? If they were still births I don't think that happened but am unsure of this grey area.

But on the 1911 census it specifically says children born alive.

[Bertieone]

Genuki,

Registering Stillbirths

Stillborn children were not registered prior to 1927.

Stillbirth registration was introduced on 1 July 1927 to help protect infant life, provide a valuable source of statistical information and to give parents the opportunity to have their child officially acknowledged. A stillborn child is a child born after the 24th week of pregnancy who did not breathe or show any other signs of life. When a child is stillborn the midwife or doctor will issue a medical certificate of stillbirth which will be used to register the stillbirth.

When stillbirth registration was introduced the the age limit was the end of the 28th week of pregnancy, not the 24th (as it is now). This is a relatively recent change following the greatly increased survival rates of premature babies.

Current GRO policy on obtaining stillbirth certificates: "Due to the sensitive nature of stillbirth registrations, the procedure for ordering a certificate of the entry differs from other types of certificates. We will only send out the application form after we have been contacted by phone or in writing by the mother or father (if he is named on the certificate). In cases where the parents are deceased, a brother or sister can apply if they can provide their parents' dates of death."