where did Ellen Powell nee Naylor go?

[plimmerian]

some back ground:-
Roman Catholic Marriage, 16th May 1864,Dundalk, Co. Louth
John O’CONNOR to Ellen GARVEY

IGI 
b. 09th June 1865
Dundalk, Louth, Ireland
Andrew CONNOR
(son of John CONNOR & Ellen GARVEY)

death John Connor 12 Jan 1868, age 31,
at Cobden Sq, Newton in Makerfield, Lancashire, England

Marriage to William NAYLOR on 12 Jun 1870
at St Alban's R.C. Chapel, Warrington, Lancashire, England

1871
Cobden Sq, Newton-in-Makerfield, 
William NAYLOR hd 22 lab b. Ashton
Ellen NAYLOR wf 24 b. Ireland
*Mary E. NAYLOR dau 3mths b. Newton
Andrew CONNOR step-son 6 scholar b. Ireland
with WYATT family
(*Mary E. NAYLOR must be Ellen NAYLOR copied in error)

Death of William Naylor on 08 July 1877
at Unsworths Yard, Newton-in-Makerfield, Lancashire

1881
Gas St, Newton In Makerfield
Ellen NAYLOR hd (widow) 33 washwoman gen serv b. Ireland
Andrew NAYLOR son 16 bottle maker appren b. Ireland
Ellen NAYLOR dau 10 scholar b. Newton 
Alice NAYLOR dau 7 scholar b. Newton
William NAYLOR son 5 scholar b. Newton

married 09 January 1884 at
St Mary and St John Catholic Church, Newton In Makerfield 
Ellen NAYLOR, 36, - (John HARVEY, deceased blacksmith) to 
James POWELL, 42, labourer (James POWELL, deceased, labourer)


1891
Derby St, Newton In Makerfield, Lancashire
James POWELL hd 49? lab b. Ireland
Ellen POWELL wf 44 b. Ireland
Alice POWELL single 17 b. Newton le Willows
James POWELL son 11 b. Newton le Willows
Frank POWELL son 6 b. Newton le Willows

1901
Duke St, Newton In Makerfield, Lancashire
(James Powell of Ireland is missing)
(POWELL transcribed as DOWELL)
Ellen POWELL (married) hd 51 b. Ireland
James POWELL (single) son 21 gen lab b. Newton le Willows
Frank POWELL son 15 bricklayer appren b. Newton le Willows

1911
Houghton St, Earlestown, Newton In Makerfield
Ellen POWELL head 64 widow b. Dundock, Ireland
NB: years married states 5 years
children born 7 - children surviving 6 - children died 1

I find no trace of her after this date, I wonder where did she go?

[Tina]

Welcome to our forum and good luck with your search.
Thank you for such an interesting post about Ellen and her marriages.

[MaryA]

Hi and welcome to the forum.

Have you tried this death?

Ellen Powell abt 1846 Jul-Aug-Sep 1912 Ashton Under Lyne Volume: 8d
Page: 495

It's not so far distant from where she was living and possibly one of the children were living there.

[dickiesam]

Hi,
Using her birth year +/- 2 years there are only 2 deaths in Lancashire that fit between 1911 and 1951...
Death: ELLEN POWELL
Birth year: 1846
Age: 66
Death year/quarter: 1912 / Sep
District: ASHTON UNDER LYNE, Lancashire; Volume 8D; Page 495

Death: ELLEN POWELL
Birth year: 1846
Age: 84
Death year/quarter: 1930 / Sep
District: MANCHESTER SOUTH, Lancashire; Volume 8D; Page 241

Ellen may not have died at home but at a hospital or place in another locality and that is where the death would have been registered.

That 'Years married' entry in 1911 is obviously an error since she was a widow and it was lined through by the enumerator. Ellen may have meant it to indicate she had been a 'Widow 5 yrs'.

[plimmerian]

hi thanks for the replies and the warm welcome!

I have found the following Ellen Powell in 1911 which may be the ones you mention above:

Name: Ellen Powell
Age in 1911: 64
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Ashton under Lyne, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Ashton Under Lyne
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 157 Bentinck St Ashton U Lyne
Marital Status: Widowed
Occupation: Grocer
Registration district: Ashton under Lyne

and

Name: Ellen Powell
Age in 1911: 64
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Hulme
Civil Parish: South Manchester
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 3 Alderley St Hulme M/c
Marital Status: Widowed
Occupation: Bookbinder
Registration district: Chorlton

It would have been a bonus if there had been no others around the same year of birth in those districts but I think this might rule them out!

Oh well,

Best wishes.

[plimmerian]

her son Frank may have married a Margaret McGrail in 1912 and could have died in Golborne in 1951.

I have no trace of her son James after 1901

Her son William Naylor married and died in Chester without issue

Her daughter Alice married William Swift in 1894 and was in Leeds in 1911

Her daughter Ellen married Thomas Naylor in 1890 but she died later in 1911

I have no trace of her son Andrew Connor after 1891

If the census entry for children is right I think I'm still missing a few!

So much for the luck of the Irish (lol)

[MaryA]

Newton would come under the Warrington district, so could this be the answer?

Deaths Jun 1920 POWELL Elinor 75 Warrington 8c 261

[plimmerian]

thank you - that may just be her as I can't find anyone in the area in 1911 with that name - might be worth a gamble!

[plimmerian]

hello again - decided to search the rootsireland site again - previous searches had found Ellen Garvey but the fathers names didn't match

I've just tried searching for an "El" Garvey with father of John and one result in County Louth appeared for an Elenor Garvey baptised in 1844 (I had requested a year search of 1846 +5)!

Just need to save up now and send for the baptism and death details to either confirm or deny that those details belong to our Ellen

Many thanks!

[MaryA]

Fingers crossed for a good result on both.

[plimmerian]

Great news!
08th June 1920, at 99 Guardian Street, Warrington
Elinor otherwise Ellen Powell
Female
75 years
Of 10 Booth Street, Newton in Makerfield
Widow of James Powell, furnaceman at glass bottle works
-
A. O'Connor, son, 17 Bunce Street, Chester
!!!

Thank you so much for suggesting the bmd ref!

[dickiesam]

Great result. Very pleased for you.

[MaryA]

Smashing result, a nice Easter egg for you.

[plimmerian]

The baptism took place on 04 Sept 1844 in Dundalk - address of Bridge Street - parents John Garvey and Bridget Sheals or Sheils - sponsers Patrick and Elizabeth Hanlon.

Further research finds other siblings, one of which was Mary baptised in 1849 with an address of Dowdallshill. I'm wondering now if this is the Mary Garvey in 1911 (single, aged 62, born Louth, Ireland) in the Toxteth Park workhouse!

It is too tempting to ignore that it might just be her sister, but I'm trying to keep a level head about it!

[MaryA]

I have indeed found other family members that I didn't know about who arrived in Liverpool, maybe together or maybe later having discovered relatives had made good.

Don't forget to check all burials, I had a pleasant surprise as one grave also included married sisters on the headstone.

Sadly the one I suspect may be your Mary Garvey, ie the death (after 1911) matching the birth year of 1849, died 6th June, 1933 in St Joseph's House, Belmont Road, age 84 in general grave 1604 in Ford Cemetery.

Another Mary who was buried 9 April, 1917, but age a little out as was 72, from Walton Workhouse, again in a general grave 1493, also Ford.

[plimmerian]

Thanks for those!

I think I need to be sure her sister didn't marry - not finding the rootsireland site easy, still finding my feet there!

Best wishes,
Ian

[plimmerian]

I found the will of her son, Andrew, which has proved to be most helpful. It states that he wishes "...to be buried in the same grave as my dear mother at Crow Lane Church, Newton le Willows, Lancashire..."

The first time a will purchased has been helpful!

I have something more to work on now, fingers crossed for another positive result.

[MaryA]

Well done - phone St Helens Library to check but I believe those records will be kept there.

[plimmerian]

Thanks, I'll give it a go!

[plimmerian]

Just for future ref:

"I have checked the records we have here but we do not hold any records for St Marys and St Johns. Your best bet would be to contact the church directly and take it from there. They may still have them or they maybe held by the catholic diocese elsewhere."

From Local History and Archives, St Helens (April 2015)