Mystery of no wedding!!

[lynne99]

I hope I haven't asked about this before. I don't think I have.
It has been mentioned in Roots Ireland but not in any detail.
My great x 2 grandfather Alexander Fletcher was born in Glasgow about 1832. I can't find his baptism on Scotland's People. He married Margaret McNair Dougans in June 1853 in Glasgow . She was born 1832 Strathblane Scotland. They had 3 children born Glasgow. Hugh b 1854; Ann McNair b 1855 died 1858 and Alexander b 1858. They (the family) moved to Ireland sometime after 1858, where Alexander died 1866 aged 34. He was buried in St Munchen's Limerick. I have not info about their life in Ireland no job where they lived or any thing. They had a son William Aitken born 1862 in Ireland. Sometime after her husband's death Margaret and family moved to Liverpool. In 1871 census she is called Margaret McNair living at 16, Vere St Toxteth Park, with her new husband Andrew McNair aged 32 b Scotland. All the children are called McNair although from their names and dates of birth , I think they are Fletchers. Why Hugh aged 16 is down as Nephew I am not sure.
I cannot find a marriage for Andrew McNair and Margaret, which I guess would be about 1868 +- 2 yrs.
I cannot find the family's passage back from Ireland.
Andrew MacNair had died by the 1881 census and Margaret has reverted to Margaret Fletcher 1, Grove Square West Derby, with Andrew (Junior) and William Aitken. I have her death certificate 20 Aug 1886, which states she is the widow of Andrew McNair marine engineer and she buried at Toxteth. I have found a death for Andrew McNair at sea 23 Dec 1873 aboard the Elmina, but his probate was granted to Susannah Crawford Allan Hutchinson in Scotland.

I would like some help filling in the missing info what did they do in Ireland, Where did they live. Didi Margaret marry Andrew2 McNair. Was he a relative??????? as Margaret's mother was Mary Ann McMNair bc 1808 in Stirling Scotland.

PLEASE can you help. Vic Mar managed to find a lot about his enigmas and this has prompted me.

[MaryA]

I cannot find the family's passage back from Ireland.

I'm quite intrigued at where you have searched for the family's travels back from Ireland, I think most of us believed that the ships returning to Liverpool are more on the lines of ferries with no passenger records kept, so a vital resource such as that will be more than welcomed.

[Bertieone]

Lynne,

Probate was granted to Susannah Crawford Allan McNair, Widow the Relict, is Hutchinson a typo or have you discovered it was her maiden name?

[Bertieone]

The above may suggest Andrew and Margaret living together in 1871 and declaring marriage was to save embarrassment.

[Bertieone]

Lynne,

Probate was granted to Susannah Crawford Allan McNair, Widow the Relict, is Hutchinson a typo or have you discovered it was her maiden name?

Name: Andrew Mcnair
Spouse: Susanna C. A. Hutcheson
Marriage: 16 Dec 1862 - Renfrew,Renfrew,Scotland

[MaryA]

Nice find Bert

[lynne99]

I don't have any insight into the travels to and from Ireland. I had searched anx travel lists but as you say non to or from Ireland.
Thanks for the other info about Andrew's wife. There were so few people called Andrew McNair that to find 2 of the same name died about the same time and the same age, would be a mega coincidence. Perhaps that was why she had reverted to Fletcher in 1881 census.
It would be nice to know when they returned from Ireland and where they lived and worked whilst they were there. Perhaps 1861 census. Did they do that in Ireland??
Her death certificate 19 August 1886
Margaret McNair 49Church Rd Walton Aged 53 years Widow of Andew McNair Marine engineer. Died of Gastritus with intestinal obstruction. Informant J FletcherDaughter in lawPresent at death of Worthington St Northwich

[Bertieone]

Lynne,

some information on Irish census records,

http://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/ ... ecord.html

[Bertieone]

There's no marriage to be found and no deaths between the dates 1871 and 1886 for an Andrew Mcnair, Free BMD, England & Wales. There's 5 deaths in Scotland between those dates, none for a birth year 1839 +/-1. It looks more likely that the couple were not married and the pretence was kept up which led the daughter in law to declare she was the widow of Andrew Mcnair.

It looks increasingly likely that the Andrew Mcnair who died at sea is the same person Margaret lived with.

For the crew, Effects, £200

[lynne99]

Looks that way, doesn't it.
There is a marriage for 3rd quarter 1869 West Derby 8b 843 for Andrew McNair (free BMD)
but the only woman on the list is Ann Rodger. I tried to send for this certificate, but they said it was not Margaret Fletcher.

[Bertieone]

Looks that way, doesn't it.
There is a marriage for 3rd quarter 1869 West Derby 8b 843 for Andrew McNair (free BMD)
but the only woman on the list is Ann Rodger. I tried to send for this certificate, but they said it was not Margaret Fletcher.

Complete list,

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2D2Z-PZL

[MaryA]

Mary Ottley married Michael Fitzgibbons in Sacred Heart R C church which means that Andrew McNair married Ann Rodgers.

[MaryA]

This site has been offline for a while, but now it's back perhaps it might be a help to you. http://www.irishgenealogynews.com/2015/ ... rn-to.html