Surname variants - RYMER

[Rachel319]

Hello,

I've been pointed in the direction of this forum and was wondering if anyone could help me with a research problem I'm having.

I am searching for Lewis Robert Rymer. His death certificate in 1973 gives his date of birth as 26 Feb 1900, and place of birth Republic of Ireland.

However I also have Merchant Seaman records from 1930 that give the same date of birth (so I am sure it is the same person) however place of birth as Liverpool. I am more inclined to believe that the Merchant Seaman record has the correct place of birth, given that Lewis Rymer signed it, whereas the death certificate was registered by an employee at a care home.

I also have two marriage certificates for this man, however one gives the father's name as Francis Rymer and the other as Patrick Rymer. There is also a 10 year age discrepancy between the two marriage certificates although I have a suspicion that they are in fact the same person.

I have had no luck finding any birth record for a Lewis Rymer/Reimer/Riemer/Rimmer, anywhere near Liverpool or over the rest of the county that matches the one I am looking for.

Is anyone able to help me out, point me in the right direction, or have any other name alternatives that may be worth trying?

Thanks in advance,

Rachel

[MaryA]

Hi and welcome to the forum.

Are you able to share a portion of the marriage certificates with us - instructions on how to upload here
http://forum.liverpool-genealogy.org.uk ... =16&t=9817

I agree with you that a staff member in a care home may have heard him talking spending time Ireland and made an assumption, perhaps incorrectly. But based on that theory have you checked the Irish censuses for 1901 and 1911, both of which are free to search here http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/

Have you also contacted the GRO at Southport to request that they search for a Lewis/Louis Rymer and also mentioning the possibility of a different spelling, but giving the exact date of birth, they are very good and hopefully will do that search for you.

[Rachel319]

Hello,

Thank you very much for your reply.

No I haven't been in contact with Southport GRO, it's never occurred to me actually!

I hope I've just uploaded the two links, please let me know if there's a problem





I'm not even 100% certain that this is the right person that I'm searching for, but can't rule him out until I have a bit more evidence!

[Bertieone]

The signatures on the marriage certs for Lewis are very different, on that evidence alone, not the same person.

[Rachel319]

The signatures on the marriage certs for Lewis are very different, on that evidence alone, not the same person.

Thanks Bertie, I always understood that the signatures were copied by the registrar, as the handwriting is the same for both husband and wide for each one?

[Bertieone]

The signatures on the marriage certs for Lewis are very different, on that evidence alone, not the same person.

Thanks Bertie, I always understood that the signatures were copied by the registrar, as the handwriting is the same for both husband and wide for each one?

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[ClaireMH]

Hi Rachel,

I have sent you a private message regarding your search for Lewis Robert Rymer.

Best regards

Claire

[Hilary]

Much to my astonishment I have looked at Lewis' merchant navy records before but I can't think why!

[MaryA]

Much to my astonishment I have looked at Lewis' merchant navy records before but I can't think why!

Perhaps something to do with Claire's contact. It will be interesting to see if anything results from their conflab.

[Katie]

I have also seen this query before Hilary where I can't think, but it must have been on this Forum.

[Katie]

http://www.forum.liverpool-genealogy.or ... er#p114977

March 2015.

[Blue70]

http://www.forum.liverpool-genealogy.or ... er#p114977

March 2015.

This is the March 2015 thread in that link.


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[Hilary]

Age must be catching up on me! I hadn't looked at the date.

[benmr]

Hello there,
Very interested to read this thread as Lewis Robert Rymer was my grandfather and Betty Rymer (nee Huxstep) was my grandmother.

Rachel - I can corroborate your findings. I have found the same documents you refer to but not yet a birth certificate for Lewis Robert Rymer, which is what I am searching for. Have you found this yet? Feel free to private message me if you prefer.

Many thanks
Ben Rymer

[MaryA]

Hi and welcome to the forum. Unfortunately the original poster didn't become a member of the Society nor remain a member of the forum so will only pick up your message if she is actively watching this post. The others who have assisted are members though and perhaps they can also help.

Have you followed the suggestion made above for the birth certificate

Have you also contacted the GRO at Southport to request that they search for a Lewis/Louis Rymer and also mentioning the possibility of a different spelling, but giving the exact date of birth, they are very good and hopefully will do that search for you.

[luxor]

He was still a waiter, living in Edinburgh, by 12 July 1945. The British Newspaper Archive has a story from The Berwick Advertiser reporting that he was charged with a 'breach of the peace'. The published introduction stops short of telling who occupied the house where the trouble occurred.

[benmr]

Thanks very much both for your replies. No Mary I haven't followed up on the GRO idea, I will endeavour to do so.

And thankyou for the interesting snippet Luxor, he worked as a waiter in several towns across Britain as we as a chef in the Navy. I had no idea of this story though. Apart from his work vocation and info from wedding certificates I still know relatively little.

[luxor]

At the first marriage he was Lewis Robert Rymer, address St. Marylebone. He gave his father's name as Francis Rymer, a soldier.

Louise/Louisa Francis Rymer lived all her life in Brixton, close to St. Marylebone. She was a young woman in the early 1900s. At the time of her death in 1943 she was living in Robsart Street, Brixton.

Interesting co-incidence of names?

[luxor]

This speculation 'I think you are right about Lewis not marrying the mother of the children, as there appear to be 2 birth registrations in 1938; one with surname Rymer and one with Gaylor. The same occurs for a different birth in 1939 of which I'm sure you're aware.'

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=714485.9

might suggest that his 'Irish father, Patrick' was a cover story.

However, Irish newspapers do have stories of the 3rd Dragoon Guards being called to The Curragh right at the end of 1900, for travel to South Africa (Boer War) early in 1901.

[benmr]

Unfortunately I've not been able to find a birth certificate for the father, Francis, or any record of a Francis Rymer in the records I've searched for in the RoI.

I will try to explore the Dragoon guard angle as army records may be relatively complete, even going back 100 yrs+.