Help with Henry family please..

[dennison]

Im stuck finding any more info about my 2nd g granddad.
Michael Henry b 1844
I have his marriage cert he was 28, I have him marrying Rosanna Oreilly in 1872, her maiden name was Field but I believe she married a John Reilly in Ireland previously.
Also from the Catholic Marriages in Liverpool it has his parents as Michael and Brigit Henry

Then on the 1881 and 1891 censuses Rosanna Henry is listed as married living with her parents In Clayton St but no mention of Michael. On the 1901 census she is now a widow. I have a death in 1898 that fits in but the address is different to Rosannas.

I am struggling to find anything more about him both before and after his marriage .I would be grateful if anybody has any suggestions, and thanks for taking the time out to read this

[MaryA]

I have a death in 1898 that fits in but the address is different to Rosannas.

Who registered the death? What address was on it? What was Rosanna's address? Was her address the same in both 1901 and 1911 censuses or could she have been at a different address midway between.

Could they have split up? Was his occupation something that would have taken him away from home? Have you found him, either alone or with another woman in the censuses that Rosanna is at home with her parents?

[dennison]

Hi Mary , and thanks, they managed to have five children the last being William b 1883 Michaels occupation being a Painter,whilst still living at Clayton St.
1901 Rosanna living In Trueman St (close to Clayton St) Widow
1911 Rosanna living in Scotland Rd Married ?
Working on the assumption that he died between 1891 and 1901 the only death I can find with the approx. age is a Michael Henry age 56 who fell into Harrington dock on new years eve and drowned, the informant being the coroner, the occupation being dock labourer and address Norfolk St.
I Havnt been able to find a Michael on his own yet.
Im also struggling with his parents Michael and Brigit , im assuming they were Irish, Michael being a farmer.
Anyway, thanks for the help and advice Mary

Chris

[Blue70]

We had problems finding newspaper articles covering this death:-

http://www.liverpool-genealogy.org.uk/p ... =2&t=13776


Blue

[MaryA]

It would seem that the thing to check is the newspapers to see if it mentioned this particular Michael Henry's family. There are two or three newspapers at the Record Office for Liverpool at this time.

[simone]

Closest I can get for a painter is -
1881
Michael James Henley 30, Painter born Ireland, married but no sign of wife, lodging at 16 Mill Lane
Class: RG11; Piece: 3629; Folio: 162; Page: 28

There is a Michael and Bridget in 1851 but no sign of a son Michael.
There are baptisms for children
Class: HO107; Piece: 2177; Folio: 12; Page: 16
StMartin St
Michael Henerry 56
Bridget Henerry 36
Bridget Henerry 9
Eliza Henerry 3
Mary Henerry 50
Sarah Walsh 27
Jane Walsh 8
Catherine King 20
Julia Swan 45
Peter Lyden 39
Catherine Lyden 3
Michael Cain 50
Michael Cain 14
Mary Cain

various baptisms which you have prob looked at?



Jane Henery
27 Jun 1846 28 Jun 1846 St Anthony's
Michael,
Bridget


Catherine Henery
2 Jul 1847 4 Jul 1847 St Mary's
Michael Henery,
Bridget Henery

Thomas Henly
14 Oct 1842 16 Oct 1842 St Peter's Priory
Michael Henly,
Bridget Henly


Ann Hennerty
20 Sep 1845 25 Sep 1845 St Anthony's
Michael,
Bridget

Mary Ann Henny
28 Jul 1848 30 Jul 1848 St Mary's
Michael Henny,
Bridget Henny



James Henny
27 Aug 1850 1 Sep 1850 St Mary's
Michael Henny,
Bridget Henny

Ann Hennyan
9 Oct 1854 14 Oct 1855 St Anthony's
Michael,
Bridget


Eliza Henry
2 Nov 1848 5 Nov 1848 St Anthony's
Michael,
Bridget

Martin Henry ------ dies at 5 months old
5 Nov 1851 9 Nov 1851 St Anthony's
Michael,
Bridget

Cecelia Hencan
18 Apr 1851 11 May 1851 St Joseph's
Michael Hencan,
Bridgt Gersty


Paul Henry dies 2 weeks old
12 May 1850 12 May 1850 St Anthony's
Michl,
Bridget


Michael Mc Henry
20 Jun 1838 8 Jul 1838 St Patrick
Michl Mc Henry,
Bridget Mc Grave


Simone x

[dennison]

Hi. wow, thanks everyone for their help. On my last trip to Liverpool I visited the central library on a Tuesday and we were able to find a cutting of this Michaels death in the Mercury, which was basically a report of the accident in which he lived just a few minutes to tell how his foot tangled in a rope and fell in . No mention of his family.
Thanks Simone ive seen some of these before and ill check them out
again,. I have his youngest son Williams birth cert from 1883 and he his named as the father, so really that's the last positive id ive got of him. the 1891 census just lists Rosanna as married.

Perhaps he is back in Ireland, or like Mary suggests that they separate after 1891?
In 1901 she states she is a widow, but on the 1911 she is down as Married/wife ? age 74.
Ive become slightly obsessed with him lol, hes the one family member id really like to find as he is the Henry line.

Anyway once again thanks to everybodys advice

[simone]

Have you looked at the children's marriages? I see George Joseph was married in 1896, but I can't fathom out if he saying his dad is James Michael Henry or James and Michael Henry?

[dennison]

Hi Simone , thanks for looking, I have checked the other childrens baptisms and marriages;

Christopher b 1873
George Joseph b 1875
James Michael b 1878
Thomas Francis b 1881
William John b 1883

Your example George Joseph ( my g granddad) as also had me puzzled , it reads to me as "son of Jacob et "and" Michaelis Henry & Rosanna Henry"
On Christophers Catholic marriage his father is also named as Jacob but on his baptism it is Michael. All the other children have Michael Henry as father.
Simple error or is there something more to it?
Thanks once again,
Chris

[Hilary]

Could it be Jacob al Michael a shortened form of alias?

[simone]

wonder if Jacobi or Michael could be confirmation name? I've also seen Catholic Irish families where the mother has been called one thing but named as Bridget on parish registers
doesn't make it easy does it

[dennison]

Yes I wondered whether it would have been a confirmation name, I have noticed while looking through the Liverpool Catholic registers that as well as latin names they sometimes have a few Christian names, and also ties in what EO says.
Thanks
Chris.