Woodfine Holden?

[simone]

1911 census

Sarah Ellen must have remarried?
Class: RG14; Piece: 22526
John Gladney 36
Sarah Ellen Gladney 39
Sarah Holden 70 mother in aw
Sarah Ellen Owens 7 neice... child of Joseph Owens and Mary?

[simone]

here's the marriage
1908
GLADNEY John
TWEEDLEY Sarah
West Derby, Register Office or Registrar Attended Liverpool
8b 1013

think we've cracked it

[simone]

Did James Woodfine die in1868?

The only census I can't see them for definite on now is the 1871... I'm still a bit suspicious of the family with Lawrence Holden as the head... I also wonder if the name of the boarders 'Hones' could have actually been Owens, given that Mary Holden married a Joseph owens in 1903.... maybe there is a connection there? or maybe I'm clutching at straws with that one

if it is them in 1861 with the Nolan family in Widnes, maybe they went there for work with the chemical works? It looks like the Nolan's took in other lodgers on other census.

Simone

[Linwood247]

Thank you. Good finds Simone. Sarah Holden in 1901 living with the Tweedlies is my GGgrandma IF that's her in 1881 with Margaret and Jane/James.
That could be her as Mary in 1891 as a widow, but more research necessary.
What do you think? All the subsequent trails depend on that IF.

As for these Sims/Sime characters, what do I do now? As the only children to a Matthew and Margaret are Sime, nor Sims, any ideas how I can verify this is the right family?

Now I have to look for burials for Sarah Woodfine/Holden. But thanks to you I have more info to go on. Thanks for your help, I appreciate the time you've put in helping to answer my questions.

[Linwood247]

Sorry, just seen your last two posts. I can't keep up with you! My head's spinning.
I need time to digest all this information. But definite progress has been made.
Many thanks.

[MaryA]

It's very difficult to keep up with Simone when she's on the trail, she gets the grip between her teeth and if she doesn't find it, there's nothing to be found.

Well done!

[simone]

Ahh lol thanks Mary

I don't think there is much doubt Sime/Sims family are one and the same

here they are in 1881

Class: RG11; Piece: 3632; Folio: 4; Page: 1
John Sime 31 b London
Priscilla Sime 30
Isabella Sime 4
Elizabeth A. Sime 2
Benjamin Brown 37 brother in law... Priscilla maiden name was Brown
Matthew Sime 24
Ann Sime 52

Isabella and Elizabeth are baptized Sims, Matthew as Sime, but they are all on census as Sime

by 1901 John has remarried to Jane
Class: RG13; Piece: 3407; Folio: 11; Page: 13
John Simo 51 b London
Jane Simo 45
David Sims 14


Simone x

[simone]

Looks like Leonard had a brother Edmond who married Jane Slater in Oct 1861. He and his father Seth are living with the Slater family in 1861.. but no sign of Len
Class: RG 9; Piece: 2652; Folio: 101; Page: 44

possible sisters for Leonard in baptisms too.... but Len remains elusive in 1861

Simone x

[simone]

I wonder if this could be Leonard in 1861

Leonard Holden
Service number 426
Rank Private
Unit or Regiment
48th Foot (Northamptonshire) Depot
Regiment stationed at Cork
Year1861
National Archives referenceWO12 / 6008
Category
Military, armed forces & conflict
Record collection
Regimental & service records
Collections from
Great Britain

[Ken Holden]

When I saw my name mentioned in a post with someone looking for Holden ancestors, my heart jumped! I was hoping to find a connection myself but unfortunately not. The only Sarah Holden I have in our tree is my great great grandmother Sarah Holden (nee Walker).

I've heard Liverpudlians are friendly folk. As far as researchers go, the people here are the best! The way you dig up information is amazing! John Sugnall and I are working on digging up more details of my Hoskins/Holden family lines and their war service. I've also discovered some interesting details of several generations of Liverpool families moving to the Niagara area in Ontario Canada. I'll share information on my other thread when I get it organized.

Well done everyone on the information you've uncovered!

[Linwood247]

Sorry Ken, I can imagine your excitement, only to be let down. But I have you to thank for instigating my search. When I saw your name I remembered seeing it in connection with Woodfine, and decided to ask the experts for help.
You're right, the people here are the best. I'd been looking for years and in one fell swoop Simone not only sorted out my Sims/Sime confusion but tracked down my GGgrandmother in every census.
I can't thank you enough, Simone.

Btw, I looked into Holden births, and the children in 1871 with father Lawrence must be the Woodfines.
Cheers!

[Ken Holden]

Not to worry about the excitement. It's hard to keep myself from getting excited, but I know from past experience that not all stories result in a connection so no worries. I've made more progress in the last six months than I have in a long time.

I have been searching for the Holden line earlier than my Grandpa James for about 40 years now. Many of the family attempts contained a lot of beginner mistakes, assumptions, and family forgetting earlier stories. Compounding the situation, my Grandpa James Holden had three wives, the first child was born in 1894 and the oldest of the 11 children is still alive today. One generational line of 121 years and counting. It wasn't until I went back to scratch and confirmed sources that I uncovered My great uncle's story which then led to a number of discoveries which have led to a flood of information. My paper file now includes four trees and other parts of trees which are all incomplete and have minor errors. I'm now in the process of cleaning it all up and adding the new discoveries.

More importantly I've uncovered several major pieces of information which completely change the nature of my father and three of his siblings being helped by Barnardo's in Liverpool. They were the second generation assisted by Barnardo's. In fact there were at least 10 relatives in three different lines that Barnardo's assisted in emigrating to Canada. Four others were fostered in England. I've found decades worth of archival references to my father and how much he appreciated the help. the details are astounding. I knew a lot of it before but it is incredible the depth of information I and others are uncovering.

I'm now in the process of working to locate the living relatives of those we have lost contact with.

Good luck with your search too!

[simone]

Thanks Ken for your compliments.. you are right, they are a great group of people on here

Linwood.... you are very welcome, glad to have helped good that you are moving forward with it now
btw did you notice the possible for Leonard in 1861 that I posted? I managed to track his siblings on the census somewhat but he was still missing so this may well be him and worth looking into


Leonard Holden
Service number 426
Rank Private
Unit or Regiment
48th Foot (Northamptonshire) Depot
Regiment stationed at Cork
Year1861
National Archives referenceWO12 / 6008
Category
Military, armed forces & conflict
Record collection
Regimental & service records
Collections from
Great Britain

Good Luck to you both with your searches

Simone x

[Linwood247]

Sorry Simone, yes I did see that post about Leonard, but you threw so much at me I didn't find time to comment!
I have looked on FMP but all I get is the reference you found.
Could very well be him, but it'll have to be put on the back burner in case something is available in future.
I have lots to dig my teeth into for the time being, and have just booked a ticket home in June so will be able to delve into more at the library.
Happy hunting to you!
Linda

[Linwood247]

Ken, that sounds like one huge, but hugely rewarding, quest.
It should keep you going for a while, but what better to spend time on?
Regards.
Linda

[MaryA]

have just booked a ticket home in June so will be able to delve into more at the library.

You are becoming one of our regulars! Look forward to seeing you in the Library.

[steveflan]

Linwood

The Leonard, Edmond, Seth and Jane Slater that have been mentioned are part of my tree on my maternal grandmother's side!!

I'm afraid that I haven't been able to research this yet as I'm still researching my paternal side.

Edmund and Jane Slater are my GGG Grandparents.

Here's what I've been told by other members of the family - but as I said I haven't been able to confirm any of this so far:

Edmund and Leonard had at least 3 other siblings - Thomas Heywood, Seth and Mary Anne.

Seth is a common name in this Holden line as Edmund's father was called Seth Pennington, he had a brother called Seth, a son called Seth Pennington and at least 1 grandson called Seth Pennington as well as a great grandson with the same name!

Apparently Edmund's father, Seth, was a blacksmith.

That's all I have at the moment.

Regards

Steve

[MaryA]

Lovely to make connections Steve and Lin

[Linwood247]

Hi Steve,

I've realised to expect coincidences in this genealogy business, it's amazing the connections we can make. I look forward to filling in all the blanks, from your side and mine. If I come up with anything I'll let you know.

Good luck with all those Seths!

Look forward to seeing you at the library Mary, and you too Seth. It would be great to meet up.

Regards,
Linda

[marchbird]

1861 - the only James and Sarah Woodfine are boarding with Jeremiah Nolan in Widnes, reported to be born in Neston.

Looking at the 1861 census, I think the place they were born is NEWTON (le Willows). This would be more local for them to work in Widnes.