My brick wall - Joseph Gray

[MaryA]

That's a great coincidence, don't quite know how it all fits together but reckon it must somehow.

[simone]

she is still with them in 1901
3427 135 29
Gore St, Toxteth
John Fulton 45
Margaret Fulton 45
Margaret Ann Fulton 17
Bridget Fulton 15
Margaret Fulton 59
Bernard Fulton 49
Margaret Fulton 13
Alice Grey 70 b St Helens

[simone]

she's a widow in 1851 so who she been having her Gray children with but then she states married later on

so if not really married maybe it's a brother James she has

[2MorroW]

Thanks to all.
There appear to be a gaggle of Fultons in the marine service.1881 William/Mary are still in Steele St. Yes, he was a marine fireman. Note Catherine Gray is now married to Michael O`Brien with daughter Mary. 1st marriage cert confirms James Henry Gray, mariner, as her father. Second marriage to Patrick Duffy 1884

1881 in Barmouth St. another Mary Fulton w/o marine fireman - same family
1891 Lyons St. with husband,Edward now classed as dock labourer & another off-spring named Laurence. so likely named Laurence father of William in the 1871 census.

1891 32 Boreland St Mary & William have a servant & boarders.

Alice Grey is a new name for me but there must be a connection with the Fultons.

[simone]

Do you have this entry for 1881
I was looking for young Margaret Fulton who is 13 on the 1871 census, found this one in 1881, but this one is married, however she is with the Grey family

Gore St 6 Court 8 House
Piece 3637 Folio:41 Page Number:21

Alice Grey 54 wife marr b Liverpool charwoman
Margaret Fulton 26 daughter married b Liverpool
James Mc Mayon son 20 bottler
Thomas Grey 13 son
Alice Fulton 6 gdaur
James Fulton gson
all born Liverpool

I wonder who that son is with a totally different name

[2MorroW]

I'm posting this here as I go along so I don't lose it... realise it may be coincidental, but what a coincidence anyway hoping it'll lead back somewhere

1871 28 Jordan St, Liverpool
3778 76 17
Alice Gray 42 b St Helens, charwoman
John Gray 21 soda water bottler, b Liverpool
Margaret Gray 17 rope spinner, b Liverpool
James Gray 9 scholar b Liverpool
Thomas Gray 3 scholar b Liverpool

1861
2679 46 17
Jordan St

Alice Gray 35 b St Helens, mangler
John Gray 12
Margaret Gray 7
Cathe Rodgers 60 lodger

1851
Hardwick St Liverpool
Alice Grac 24 house servant b St Helens
[Alice Gray]
with the Ringland family

I have been searching with no luck for a John Fulton/Margaret Gray marriage, baptisms of their children and a marriage for Alice. I did find a John Gray aged 1 living in Jordon St with the Lively(good name)family in JORDON ST. 1851 census. As Alice is in the same street in 1861 I think he could be hers.
Sue

[simone]

Jacobus Fulton
Birth Date:
21 Jul 1880
Baptism Date:
25 Jul 1880
Parish:
St Patrick, Lancashire, England
Father's name:
Joannis Fulton
Mother's name:
Margaritae Gray

Catharina Fulton
Birth Date:24 Oct 1877
Baptism Date:29 Oct 1877
Parish:St Patrick, Lancashire, England
Father's name:Joannis Fulton
Mother's name:Margarita Grey

Margarita Anna Fulton
Birth Date:5 Nov 1882
Baptism Date:11 Nov 1882
Parish:St Patrick, Lancashire, England
Father's name:Joannis Fulton
Mother's name:Margaretae Gray

Alicia Fulton
Birth Date:18 Oct 1875
Baptism Date:24 Oct 1875
Parish:St Patrick, Lancashire, England
Father's name:Joannis Fulton
Mother's name:Margarita Gray

[simone]

I have been searching with no luck for a John Fulton/Margaret Gray marriage, baptisms of their children and a marriage for Alice. I did find a John Gray aged 1 living in Jordon St with the Lively(good name)family in JORDON ST. 1851 census. As Alice is in the same street in 1861 I think he could be hers

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There is another connection here re the Lively family.... baptisms of Lively children show that Patrick Lively was married to Mary McMahon

Sarah Liveley
Birth Date:9 Aug 1845
Baptism Date:10 Aug 1845
Baptism Place:St Patrick, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Father:Patrick Liveley
Mother:Mary Mcmahon

Catharine Lively
Mother: Mary Mcmahon
Father: Patrick Lively
Birth: 2 Aug 1839
Baptism: 4 Aug 1839 - St. Patrick's

Patrick Lively
Mother: Mary Mcmahon
Father: Patrick Lively
Birth: 20 Aug 1843
Baptism: 26 Aug 1843 - St. Patrick,

Elizabeth Liveley
Mother: Mary Mcmahon
Father: Patrick Liveley
Birth: 16 Aug 1841
Baptism: 22 Aug 1841 - St Patrick

there is a James McMahon with Alice in 1881

1881
Alice Grey 54 wife marr b Liverpool charwoman
Margaret Fulton 26 daughter married b Liverpool
James Mc Mayon son 20 bottler
Thomas Grey 13 son
Alice Fulton 6 gdaur
James Fulton gson
all born Liverpool

[Karen]

For the crew
RG10; Piece: 3765; Folio: 21; Page: 36
11 Steel Street, St Martin, Liverpool
William Fulton Head M 28 Stoker Scotland
Mary Wife M 32 Ireland
Joseph Gray Stepson 13 Scholar Liverpool, Lancashire
Catherine " Stepdaur 10 Scholar " "
Laurence Fulton Father Wid 51 Seaman Unemployed Scotland
Margret 13 Liverpool, Lancashire
Laurence 12 " "
Mary Davis Relative Unm 42 Dress maker Denbighshire
William Gray stepson 6 Liverpool

1861 Census - Margaret & Lawrence Fulton appear to William Fulton's siblings.

33 Paget Street
Piece: 2658
Folio: 83
Page Number: 35

Laurence Fulton head mar 42 Seaman Scotland
Mary Fulton wife mar 40 Scotland
John Fulton son unm 19 Labourer Scotland
William Fulton son unm 17 Seaman Scotland
Edmund Fulton son unm 9 Scholar Scotland
Mary Fulton daur unm 6 Scholar Liverpool
Margaret Fulton daur unm 5 Scholar Liverpool
Laurence Fulton son unm 3 Liverpool