Baptism - Ellen Moseley bn 1876

[dickiesam]

Can anyone see a baptism for this birth...?
Births Sep 1876: Moseley, Ellen - W. Derby 8b 282

Father should be David Moseley. Looking for mother's forename.

[Bertieone]

Hi DS,

Found this attached to parents, Edward Moseley, Caroline Cushing.

Copy & Paste
"Transcription of textCertificate of Registry of birth 249
I, the undersigned do hereby certify that the Birth of Ellen Moseley
born on the 10th day of August 1876 has been dulyregistered by me,
Witness my hand this 13th day of September 1876
at 18 Magdala Street
Tho. Evans Registrar of births and deaths. Toxteth Park sub-district
DetailRegistered Sept Qtr 1876 at West Derby District, Volume 8b Page 282"

[dickiesam]

Thanks Bert. The fact that her father is Edward instead of David is the reason I haven't found her anywhere in the 1881 and 1891.

So who is she or is there a slip of the pen twixt Church and GRO? Both names end in D so was someone more than a bit deaf?
Her marriage cert dd 21 Jan 1900 gives her age as 21 and her father as David Moseley, dock labourer. Home address 10 Galton Street. She married at St Nicholas. Is the church record online?

[Bertieone]

The marriage to Arthur Brady I can't find online.

Edward Moseley's daughter Ellen married Rev Robert Bewick in 1906, Trinity Chapel, Grove St, Liverpool. Decent info on tree for that.

[MaryA]

Her marriage cert dd 21 Jan 1900 gives her age as 21 and her father as David Moseley, dock labourer. Home address 10 Galton Street. She married at St Nicholas. Is the church record online?

Sadly no, will add it to a new list but no promises when the next visit to the RO will be as Help Desk taking a break now until 13th January.

[dickiesam]

The marriage to Arthur Brady I can't find online.

Edward Moseley's daughter Ellen married Rev Robert Bewick in 1906, Trinity Chapel, Grove St, Liverpool. Decent info on tree for that.

Marriages Mar 1900: Brady, Arthur and Moseley, Ellen - Liverpool 8b 115
at Our Lady & St. Nicholas & St. Anne

So who is this Ellen then? Says she is born in Liverpool in 1901 and 1911 and her given YoB is 1879 and 1880 respectively. The marriage cert gives her Yob as 1879 and her death cert in 1927 gives 1881!

[Blue70]

Could this surname be wrong? Could it actually be Morrissey? There's an Ellen Morrissey aged 11 living with parents David and Margaret at 7 Dublin Street in 1891. Mrs Margaret Morrissey is still at number 7 Dublin Street on Gore's Directory for 1911, Arthur and Ellen Brady were living at number 32 and my Great Grandfather Patrick Holland was at number 18!


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[dickiesam]

That Morrissey name is a definite possible but how did it change on the marriage cert in 1900 and stick for 1901 and 1911?

[Blue70]

Morrissey is looking good DS. I can see four Brady/Morrissey baptisms at St Augustine's for: David 1900, Jane 1902, Margaret 1904 and Ellen 1906.


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[dickiesam]

Morrissey is looking good DS. I can see three Brady/Morrissey baptisms at St Augustine's straight away for Jane 1902, Margaret 1904 and Ellen 1906.
Blue

Weird and weirder..... Ellen signed her name as Molesley when she married.

[Blue70]

Have you got the GRO copy of the marriage DS? Perhaps the Liverpool copy with original signatures will have a mark next to Ellen's name. The two surnames can sound similar.


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[Blue70]

In 1901 Arthur, Ellen and David are at House 5 in Court 4 in Upper William Street. There's a mistake on the identity of the baby it does say Maria, daughter and 5 months old but if you look at the word Maria it does say Maria but it looks a bit like David too so it might have been copied wrongly. Three children lost by 1911 Census these were: Ellen died 1906, Julia died 1909 and Michael died 1909. I found nine children born to Arthur and Ellen:-

1. David Brady born: 6 Dec 1900 baptised: 8 Dec 1900
2. Jane Brady born: 7 Dec 1902 baptised: 15 Dec 1902
3. Margaret Brady born: 29 May 1904 baptised: 4 Jun 1904
4. Ellen Brady born: 15 Jul 1906 baptised: 21 Jul 1906
5. Arthur Brady born: 1908
6. Julia Brady born: 1909 died: 1909
7. Michael Brady born: 1909 died 1909
8. Thomas Brady born: 1910 died: 1911
9. Christina Brady born: 1911/1912 died: 1912


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[Blue70]

Dublin Street is most famous for iconic photo shoots there by The Beatles in 1962 and by Bob Dylan in 1966.

http://www.beatlesource.com/savage/1962 ... house.html

https://gerryco23.wordpress.com/2011/10 ... liverpool/


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[dickiesam]

Have you got the GRO copy of the marriage DS? Perhaps the Liverpool copy with original signatures will have a mark next to Ellen's name. The two surnames can sound similar.
Blue

Hi Blue,
Here's the GRO copy. Looks like all entries written in the same hand, probably when transcribed from the original. A good example of a major boo-boo that we come across when data was transcribed more than once before it got into the GRO Indexes.

From the baptisms you found Morrissey is certain to be the name not Moseley but David for Edward? Dark glasses and candlelight?

[dickiesam]

Tangled web unravelled at last? Ellen's father was David after all?

1991:
Address: 7 Dublin Street, Liverpool.
David Morrissey Head 40 1851 Dock Labourer - Ireland
Margaret Morrissey Wife 40 1851 - Ireland
Ellen Morrissey Dtr 11 1880 Scholar - Liverpool
Thomas Morrissey Son 9 1882 Scholar - Liverpool
David Morrissey Son 7 1884 Scholar - Liverpool
Michael Morrissey Son 5 1886 Scholar - Liverpool
Mary Morrissey Dtr 3 1888 - Liverpool

[Blue70]

Hi DS

Yes definitely David and Margaret the parents as I mentioned earlier. Here is transcript of Ellen's baptism:-

Name: Helena Morrisey
Birth Date: 3 Jan 1881
Baptism Date: 9 Jan 1881
Parish: St Augustine
Father's Name: Davides Morrisey
Mother's name: Margarita Ryan


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[Blue70]

The other Arthur Brady the one born to Michael Brady and Mary Ferns on 3 Dec 1881 and baptised at St Anthony's on 12 Dec 1881 married Mary Ellen Thompson in 1908. This Arthur Brady and Mary Ellen Thompson his future wife are the witnesses to their siblings William Joseph Thompson and Mary Elizabeth Brady's marriage at St Anthony's on 2 June 1901. They probably married at St Anthony's themselves but the marriage records on Ancestry end at 1906. So we've definitely got the right one with the Arthur Brady son of Michael Brady and Jane Stewart who married Ellen Morrissey in 1900.


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[dickiesam]

The other Arthur Brady the one born to Michael Brady and Mary Ferns on 3 Dec 1881 and baptised at St Anthony's on 12 Dec 1881 married Mary Ellen Thompson in 1908. So we've definitely got the right one with the Arthur Brady son of Michael Brady and Jane Stewart who married Ellen Morrissey in 1900.
Blue

I had made a fairly safe assumption about having the right Arthur when I discovered the other AB's father was in the rubber business whereas 'my' Arthur's father was a fireman/stoker at a gas works. It was the Moseley name that had me bugged.