Were there any Children

[gf27]

Hi all
On my family tree I have a Thomas Fletcher who weds Mary Ann Woods 30th March 1856 at St Peter, Church St.
Can any of the Forum tell me if they had any children?
I have a big branch missing here, so any help would be very appreciated.
Thanking you in advance.
Gareth.

[dickiesam]

Hi all
On my family tree I have a Thomas Fletcher who weds Mary Ann Woods 30th March 1856 at St Peter, Church St.
Can any of the Forum tell me if they had any children?
I have a big branch missing here, so any help would be very appreciated.
Thanking you in advance.
Gareth.

Hi Gareth,
Do you have the YoBs or ages at marriage for this couple?

[gf27]

Hi DS.
Thomas was born 1833 Liverpool. Father Jacob, Mother Mary. Not to Shure about Mary Ann Woods, sorry. I have a note she was born 1834, but where that came from i no not. I know her Father was James, so this might be her in the 1841 census. District Liverpool. Birket St. Soho. Piece No 559. Book No 27.
Folio 34. Page 11. If it is her, and it looks right. She would be the same age as Thomas. What do you think ? Thanks DS for your interest.

Cheers Gareth

[lynne99]

Sarah Elizabeth Born 20 June 1870 Baptised July 31 July 1870 St Peter's Liverpool; Father Thomas Fletcher Master Carter of Burns St. Mother Mary Ann.
There is also

Name:Ann Jane Fletcher
Birth Date:29 Jun 1872
Baptism Date:11 Aug 1872
Parish: Liverpool, St Peter
Father's Name:Thomas Fletcher
Mother's name:Mary Fletcher
Occupation given as Labourer at Bronte St and wife called just Mary, but Ann in child's name.
Will carry on looking.

[gf27]

Thanks Lynne 99.
The St Peter Connection looks good. Thomas's Grandmother was called Jane. Thomas was in the royal navy for a number of years, but he must have left at some point. Thomas's Brother Jacob was also in the navy and one of his sons was also a carter and labourer, my Grandfather Alfred Fletcher. So looking promising Yes please keep looking.
Thank you. Gareth.

[Hilary]

The 1871 census shows Thomas on board a RN ship at sea and he is a rope make. The 1861 also shows him on board a ship this time at Palermo Bay. Again he is a rope maker

In the 1881 Thomas and Mary Ann are living at 11 Maynard St Toxteth Park. No children listed just a boarder Mary Davies a widow aged 40 a chairwoman born Liverpool. Mary Ann's place of birth is given as Huyton.

In 1891 Mary Ann is in Toxteth Park workhouse. She dies later in 1891. She is a widow.

I cannot see Mary Ann in the 1861 or 1871 census which would show living children.

I would concentrate on finding those two census entries.

[dickiesam]

Hi DS.
Not to sure about Mary Ann Woods, sorry. I have a note she was born 1834, but where that came from i no not. I know her Father was James, so this might be her in the 1841 census. District Liverpool. Birket St. Soho. Piece No 559. Book No 27.
Folio 34. Page 11. If it is her, and it looks right. She would be the same age as Thomas. What do you think ?
Cheers Gareth

For the crew, as suggested by Gareth. Looks good to me....
1841: HO107 Piece 559 Book 27 Folio 34 Page 11
Address: Birkett Street Soho, Liverpool.
James Woods 35 1806 Carter - Lancashire
Catharine Woods 40 1801 - Lancashire
John Woods 10 1831 - Lancashire
Mary Ann Woods 8 1833 - Lancashire
James Woods 7 1834 - Lancashire
Catharine Woods 4 1837 - Lancashire
James Bramhill 30 1811 Carter - Lancashire

[gf27]

Thanks EO.and DS
I am beginning to think there may have been no children . I have Thomas dying in 1902 so the Mary Ann widow bit doesn't fit in. The Thomas F fits in with your 61 and 71 finds. Maynard Street is also in my head some ware
Also I cant find Mary Ann in the census searches of the years you suggest.
Mmmm. But thank you all for trying for me. So unless something pops in the records latter, I think I will put this one on the back burner.
Thanks. Gareth.

[Bertieone]

1871,
Hampshire,
RG10; Piece: 1190; Folio: 40; Page: 26

Benjamin Hughes 81
Mary Ann Fletcher, 39, Liverpool, Mariners wife.
Ellen, 16, daughter.

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/7619/ ... turnRecord

[dickiesam]

Great find Bert...
The location fits with being a mariner's wife, especially if he was still RN.
10 Cumberland Street, Southampton, Southampton, Hampshire.

The daughter could be one of these two. FreeBMD gave up only these for 1855 to 1857.... A year before the marriage too...
Births Mar 1855:
Fletcher Ellen - W Derby 8b 379
Fletcher Ellen - W Derby 8b 402

This is Thomas Fletcher as found by Hilary...
1871: RG10 Piece 5783 Folio 61 Page 25
Thomas Fletcher
Marital status: Married
Age: 39
Birth year: 1832
Occupation: Ropemaker
Birth town: Liverpool
Vessel: HMS Ocean [in China Sea]
Source: Royal Navy At Sea and in Ports Abroad

[Bertieone]

Hi DS,

One of the above Ellen's is likely to belong to
Joseph Fletcher,
RG 9; Piece: 2658; Folio: 102; Page:
can also be found in 71.

[Bertieone]

Opinions please,

1871 census, birthplace of Ellen Fletcher (bottom)

[Hilary]

I would suggest it's supposed to be Huyton which ties in with the birth place given for Mary Ann in the 1881 census.

Could she have been born around the time of the marriage?

You say you have Thomas dying in 1902. What evidence do you have for this death? The 1891 census I found for a Mary Ann does say widow. She is buried at Toxteth Park cemetery in 1891 from the workhouse. There are a couple of possibilities for a Thomas between 1881 and 1891 but I can't see one in 1902.

Have you explored Navy records? As Thomas is listed as a Navy Pensioner in 1881 there should be papers for him somewhere.

[gf27]

Hi everyone.
My heads spinning now. There where number of Ellen's in this Fletcher line, in fact Thomas had a Sister called Ellen, Born c 1826 Thomas's brother Jacob weds an Ellen Jones and one of Jacobs Children was called Ellen, born c 1875
Thomas's age at death. If you look at a recent thread, the mangle keepers, there is a photo of Thomas in his sailors uniform, and at the bottom of the picture there is the caption, born 1833, died 1902. I had assumed the death date to be correct, and before anybody shouts at me, yes I know you should not do that
EO, I could not find the death at that time either. Maybe we were looking in the wrong place. Found this on the LDS site, 1901 census
Thomas Fletcher, male, age 67, head, born Liverpool, reg Portsmouth, sub dist, Portsea and Landport, parish St Johns, Hampshire. There is nobody else listed. FMP has fallen over so I cant go further.
Yes I do have Thomas's naval records, obtained from National A. Am I allowed to post this ?
Thanks for sticking with me on this one. Gareth .

[MaryA]

Yes you can post details from the National Archives.

The Thomas Fletcher in Portsmouth lives at 39 Daniel Street, ref RG13; Piece: 993; Folio: 77; Page: 15
Thomas Fletcher Head Wid 67 Corn Merchant Employer At Home Liverpool, Lancashire
Florence Slader? Granddaughter S 21 Hants, Portsmouth
Ethel " " S 19 " "

In 1891 Thomas is at the same address with wife Elizabeth, 65 born Dorset and Ethel Slader age 9 and a general servant Annie Grills.
RG12; Piece: 861; Folio: 142; Page: 19

and husband and wife are both at the same address in 1881 RG11; Piece: 1147; Folio: 65; Page: 34

Does this discount them as being your Thomas?

[gf27]

Does this discount your Portsmouth Thomas Fletcher? Mary A in a word YES.
Sorry in the delay getting back to you but I had to re apply for Thomas's navy records. My last computer was so full of viruses I decided to dump it and get a replacement. I thought I backed everything up but for some reason I lost the navy records, still I now have them back after hours of looking for something that wasn't there.
Mary A what part of the records are relevant to our search? The reason I ask is there are quite a few pages.

Thanks . Gareth.

[lilian08]

Opinions please,

1871 census, birthplace of Ellen Fletcher (bottom)

Hi the NK usually indicated a not known place

[Bertieone]

Hi Lilian and welcome,

Thank you for the contribution.

[gf27]

Hi all. I wont send all of Thomas Fletchers naval records, its quite lengthy and will clog up the thread. I have listed relevant parts.
Thomas Fletcher Born Liverpool on April 11th 1831. Marks, JF on left arm, probably represents Jacob Fletcher, Father or brother.
Volunteered 29 July 1859 for 10 years. Ship on entry, HMS Hastings. Rating
rope maker. Thomas signed X. On the next page he signs for a further 10 years, don't know whether he enjoyed it or got better pay, making 20 years in total. It lists the ships he sails on. St Vincent, Marlborough, Mars, Boscawen, and Ocean. It appears his naval adventures finished c July 1879. there is a note saying W pension. Mary A I hope this helps in covering the time scales for Thomas's life at sea. And to help put closure on Thomas and Mary Ann's life's and deaths. Sorry if things went off on a bit tangent.
Thank you. Gareth.
Ps Still wondering about any children

[MaryA]

It's worth investigating all angles even if just to discount them, after all the Portsea one was born in Liverpool and was a possible, sometimes we have to rule out just to see what we are left with.

Hello Lilian and welcome to the forum, thank you for jumping straight in with some help.