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Lt Thomas Hughes, Royal Lancashire Militia

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Hello everyone

My mother's family has its roots in cheshire, Middlewich, to be precise. I've been able to trace it back to the late 16th Century, lucky because the name is Jackson!

In the early 19th Century, my great great grandfather, William Jackson (1805-1876) started merchandising in Liverpool and married at St Nicholas Church in 1829 Elizabeth Hughes daughter of Lt Thomas Hughes and his wife Sarah Johnson. He settled in the village of Birkenhead and with other fortunate souls laid the foundations of the present Town.

The name Hughes, like Jackson, is very common, but I have been able to establish through wills, that Elizabeth's aunt, Maria Hughes, married a charles Sutton, Bookkeeper - their descendants in the female line, the Bocquets, thrive to this day. I have yet to establish more about Thomas Hughes and his lineage and would welcome some ideas or points of contact to try to establish a more fleshed out pedigree of this family, be it immediate or collateral descendants. i know, for instance, that Elizabeth Hughes had siblings, but i cannot find them in registers. I was wondering if the use of a local researcher might help. I do have a lot of disparate bits of information, like, for instance, that these Hughes were of the same family as those of Kinmel, aka the Barons Dinorben, but it is all in the air! Can anyone suggest anything? :oops: :oops:

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Re: Lt Thomas Hughes, Royal Lancashire Militia

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Hi and welcome to the forum.

Can you tell us how you know Thomas Hughes wife was Sarah Johnson, perhaps they were married in Liverpool? and if you know whether they were living in the Cheshire area rather than Lancashire? This might seem likely due to the mention of "Kinmel" and "Barons Dinorben" as these have a ring of Wales to me.

Out of mere curiosity, do you know what the origins of the name Bocquet is?
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Re: Lt Thomas Hughes, Royal Lancashire Militia

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Possible,
2 Feb, 1806, Liverpool St John,
Thos Hughes, Woolblender, Sarah Johnson.
Witnesses, Thos Hughes, Chas Sutton.

A Charles Sutton married Maria Hughes, first post.
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Re: Lt Thomas Hughes, Royal Lancashire Militia

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Thomas Hughes, 6 March 1769, St Nicholas, Liverpool.
Father, Thomas Hughes, Mariner, Atherton St

Maria Hughes, bn 6 July, 1778, Bap 4 Aug, St Nicholas, Liverpool.
Father, Thomas Hughes, Taylor, Atherton St

Elizabeth Hughes, 8 April 1808, Bap 29 April, St Nicholas, Liverpool
Father, Thomas Hughes, Draper, Hunter St
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Re: Lt Thomas Hughes, Royal Lancashire Militia

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Possible marriage of Thomas Hughes 1769, parents.
Thomas Hughes, Mariner
Marriage
20 Nov 1766
Liverpool, St George
Elizabeth Green

Witnesses, Robert Johnson, John Wright.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F18P-YMC
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Name:
Thomas Johnson Hughes

Birth Date:
25 Oct
Baptism Date:
24 Apr 1807
Baptism Parish:
Liverpool, St Nicholas
Father's Name:
Thomas Hughes, Draper, Sparling St
Mother, Sarah Johnson
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Well done Bert, not only answered my question, but raced away with a few baptisms too.
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Re: Lt Thomas Hughes, Royal Lancashire Militia

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MaryA wrote:Hi and welcome to the forum.

Can you tell us how you know Thomas Hughes wife was Sarah Johnson, perhaps they were married in Liverpool? and if you know whether they were living in the Cheshire area rather than Lancashire? This might seem likely due to the mention of "Kinmel" and "Barons Dinorben" as these have a ring of Wales to me.

Out of mere curiosity, do you know what the origins of the name Bocquet is?
Thnaks Mary A - I have adequate proof that Thomas and Sarah were married - but until i find the papers i was working on, i think, from memory, that Thomas and Sarah were married in Manchester Cathedral! They definitely lived in Liverpool, in the centre, either Hunter street or Haymarket.

The Bocquets were originally huguenot silversmiths and gold smiths. they came to england at the revocation of the edic of Nantes and settled in London. Francis Samuel Bocquet was at first a clerk at the bank of England in London then was sent to Liverpool to be the Clerk of the bank there. Kevin and the film director are both descendants. The Bocquets, furthermore, stayed in touch with my Jackson forebears for 3 generations. i renewed the ties some 15 years ago!

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Re: Lt Thomas Hughes, Royal Lancashire Militia

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Bertieone wrote:Possible,
2 Feb, 1806, Liverpool St John,
Thos Hughes, Woolblender, Sarah Johnson.
Witnesses, Thos Hughes, Chas Sutton.

A Charles Sutton married Maria Hughes, first post.
Sorry, have been away for the weekend! Fantastic! The other Thomas may be the father and charles Sutton his uncle (by marriage). Do you know which church? license or banns? .....And wher, may I ask, did you get all this gold info from?

thanks again,

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Re: Lt Thomas Hughes, Royal Lancashire Militia

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Hi,

Information on Ancestry and http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/
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Thank you for the update on Bocquet, it did sound rather Huguenot in character.
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Bertieone wrote:Thomas Hughes, 6 March 1769, St Nicholas, Liverpool.
Father, Thomas Hughes, Mariner, Atherton St

Maria Hughes, bn 6 July, 1778, Bap 4 Aug, St Nicholas, Liverpool.
Father, Thomas Hughes, Taylor, Atherton St

Elizabeth Hughes, 8 April 1808, Bap 29 April, St Nicholas, Liverpool
Father, Thomas Hughes, Draper, Hunter St
Now this is fascinating Bert, Maria Hughes was Elizabeth's aunt, So her father, and thomas Hughes' was another Thomas Hughes, tailor, the above....it may be that Thomas the mariner was related, but he wasn't Thomas or Maria's father. Thanks for all this Bert, invaluable!
Peter

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Bertieone wrote:Name:
Thomas Johnson Hughes

Birth Date:
25 Oct
Baptism Date:
24 Apr 1807
Baptism Parish:
Liverpool, St Nicholas
Father's Name:
Thomas Hughes, Draper, Sparling St
Mother, Sarah Johnson
OH Bert, how do you do it! I have, in my pedigree, Thomas Edward, never knew about the Johnson bit!
Thanks a million! there were also two sisters, one called Caroline - this is all from the Jackson archives in Birkenhead.
Peter

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Lieutenant Thomas Hughes, 2nd regt Royal lancashire militia,

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This is a continuation of my previous post!

Grace's Guide says of Thomas Hughes, ex draper, woolstapler, woolblender.....ad infinitum,
"Mr. Jackson married, in 1829, Elizabeth, daughter of Lieutenant Hughes, a half-pay officer, who held some post under the Corporation of Liverpool. To the careful devotion and unvarying attention of this lady he owed much of his success in life; whilst her genial manner and graceful hospitality made his house a rendezvous for a rapidly increasing circle of friends. "

Now, my question is what was the Corporation of Liverpool? How would one be able to find out about the above inference?
Many thanks to previous responses!

Peter

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Bertieone wrote:Corporation of Liverpool,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liverpool_City_Council
thanks Bert. Do you know who might/holds the archives for these? Would they be in Local Studies in the main library?

Peter

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Re: Lieutenant Thomas Hughes, 2nd regt Royal lancashire mili

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Have you looked in directories around that time as they often list the occupation of the person?
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It is possible that a reference to, or info on, Lt Thomas Hughes might be found in the Royal Lancashire Militia records held at the Lancashire Record Office in Lancaster. See: http://new.lancashire.gov.uk/media/5209 ... nteers.pdf

And there is some historical info on his regiment here:
https://archive.org/stream/anaccountreg ... 6/mode/2up
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dickiesam wrote:It is possible that a reference to, or info on, Lt Thomas Hughes might be found in the Royal Lancashire Militia records held at the Lancashire Record Office in Lancaster. See: http://new.lancashire.gov.uk/media/5209 ... nteers.pdf

And there is some historical info on his regiment here:
https://archive.org/stream/anaccountreg ... 6/mode/2up
Thank you for that! I do know that he was posted to portsmouth and one of his daughters was born outside Lancashire, but have yet to find her dob or baptism. Family 'history' says that one daughter married an illegitimate son of Lord Nelson.........We know that Nelson had one legitimate daughter - he may have had several by-blows...but that is family history. Having said that most of the family gossip has proved quite right.

Elizabeth Hughes' husband, William Jackson, my gggfather, became one of the leading lights of the Industrial Revolution making several fortunes from palm oil, railways, coal, gas and other heavy industries, marrying into other industrial families such as the Lairds and Paxtons.
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