Kenny Family from where in Ireland??

[laura_pye]

I am hoping someone can help me? I have been researching my Nan's family history on and off for the last year after she asked me to try and find out where in Ireland her Dad's family where from. I was hoping to have the answer for Christmas but have hit a brick wall so I was hoping someone on here might have a clue.

Her dad Patrick Kenny was born on 1901 to Patrick Kenny b1863 and Margaret Kenny (nee Murphy) b1878 both of who where born in West Derby. They lived in Carr Lane, West Derby original with Margaret's parents Ann and Thomas Murphy.

Patrick (b 1863) was the son of Patrick Kenny b 1825 and Mary Kenny (nee Low) b 1831, they were married in St Oswald RC Church in 1859 and both where born in Ireland but I can find anything to tell me where. I believe Mary died in 1895 and Patrick in about 1868/9 but I don't have a death cert or anything for either. They also had a daughter Mary b 1863 and on the 1871 census there is a Michael F Kenny listed as Mary's son born 1850 but he is not with them in the 1861 census and that doesn't make much sense. They also lived in Carr Lane, West Derby in 1871 but in 1861 where living at Croxteth Hall Lane where I think Patrick was working.

Mary Kenny (nee Low) parents where a Mary and Edmund Low and Patrick's parents where a Bridget and John (?) Kenny.

If anyone can help I would be very grateful. I am based in Leamington so any clues you could give that I could follow up when I am next in Liverpool would be really great. Thanks in advance
Laura

[dickiesam]

Hi Laura and welcome,
Re:

Patrick Kenny b 1825 and Mary Kenny (nee Low) b 1831, they were married in St Oswald RC Church in 1859 and both where born in Ireland

If you have the 1859 marriage certificate what were the names and occupations of the respective fathers? Also, is the word 'Deceased' written in either of the fathers' names columns?

And the YoBs you have given for Patrick and Mary Kenny are derived from censuses?

I am assuming that in all the censuses you have found them in their place of origin/birth is simply shown as Ireland? Because civil registration of BMDs didn't start in Ireland until 1864 one has to rely mainly on parish records. Many have been transcribed but many have not.

The name Kenny was relatively common in the midlands and the west in the counties of Offaly [known as King's County], Roscommon and Galway, and Tyrone in what is now Northern Ireland. Of course it also occurred to a lesser extent throughout the other counties of Ireland. The 1901 Irish census of all counties gives a total head count of 8,919 Kennys [of all ages and gender].

See: http://homepage.tinet.ie/~kthomas/names7.htm

[Blue70]

RC marriage record from St Oswald's




This baptism from St Swithin's has father as John Kenny






Blue

[Blue70]

Playing around with the names Patrick Kenny, Margaret Kenny (a possible sister on 1861 Census) as children of John and Bridget and Mary Donagan or Dunigan from the same household in 1861 on http://www.rootsireland.ie/ they may have come from County Galway there are matches within a few years which are acceptable. Kenny is a difficult surname to research and Irish records are limited so it will be very difficult to prove which county they came from if none of them have the county recorded on the English records.


Blue

[dickiesam]

Hi Laura,
In order to get the marriage certificate from the GRO http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/ to get the fathers' names etc, FreeBMD have the marriage as... Marriages Mar 1859: Kenny, Patrick and Lowe, Mary - W.Derby 8b 629

[MaryA]

Hi and welcome to the forum,

Looking at the marriage cert. Blue posted above, from St Oswald's, a pity it didn't show Patrick's mother's maiden name, but it would seem that Mary's mother's maiden name was also Kenny, a possible family connection do you think?

[dickiesam]

The 1871 Census showing Patrick Kenny bn 1863 with a mother Mary and sister Mary bn 1861...

RG10 Piece 3847 Folio 168 Page 29
Address: Carr Lane East, West Derby, Liverpool
Mary Kenny Head Widow 50 1821 - Ireland
Michael F Kenny Son U/m 21 1850 - Ireland
Mary Kenny Dtr 10 1861 - England
Patrick Kenny Son 8 1863 - England

This is the family Laura queried as to how/where Michael F Kenny bn abt 1850 fits into the scene? Is he actually from a previous marriage and stepson to the mother? Need the marriage cert to establish whether Patrick was a widower or a bachelor when he married Mary Low in 1859.

And the mother Mary is shown as bn 1821 whereas in 1861 her YoB was 1829?

[dickiesam]

Re the possible stepson Michael Kenny...
http://www.rootsireland.ie/ is listing 4 baptisms [1850 +/- 2 years] in counties Galway and Roscommon for a child Michael Kenny with a father Patrick.

Church Baptism: Kenney, Michael 1851 Co. Roscommon
Church Baptism: Kenny, Michael 1852 Co. Galway
Church Baptism: Kenny, Michael 1852 Co. Roscommon
Church Baptism: Kenny, Michael 1852 Co. Galway

[Blue70]

I've got one free search left for Roots Ireland. It's a pity the site has changed making it more difficult for third party helpers. We could have directed a lot of customers their way on here and other forums.


Blue

[MaryA]

Well done lads, it's never easy going back to Ireland, but you always do a grand job.

[dickiesam]

Re that 1871 census... I haven't yet found an 'event' for Michael F Kenny anywhere, in BMDs or censuses. Wondering if the F is a slip of the enumerator's pen and it should be a J?

In 1881 there's an Owen Kenny [lodger] in the household...

Mary Kenny Head Widow 50 1831 Housekeeper (Lodg) (Domestic)) - Ireland
Patrick Kenny Son u/m 18 1863 Ag Lab - West Derby,
Mary Kenny Dtr 20 1861 Farmers Serv Indoor Domestic - West Derby
Michael Clarke Lodger Md 40 1841 Ag Lab - Ireland
Owen Kenny Lodger u/m 50 1831 Ag Lab - Ireland
Henry Shannon Lodger u/m 33 1848 Ag Lab - Ireland
Michael Smith Lodger u/m 21 1860 Ag Lab - Ireland
Martin Smith Lodger u/m 51 1830 Ag Lab - Ireland

I still have a few credits left on Roots Ireland. Could this be Owen Kenny?
Church Baptism: Kinai, Owen 1830 - Co. Roscommon
Kinai could be a typical anglised corruption of the Irish spelling of Kenny.

[Blue70]

1861 Census

Croxteth Hall Lane

Patrick Kenny 36 Head M Ag Lab Ireland
Mary Kenny 32 Wife M Ireland
Mary Kenny 10 months (some sites may have mistranscribed this age) Daughter U West Derby Lancashire
Mary Donegan 33 Lodger U Farm Servant Ireland
Margaret Kenny 26 Lodger U Farm Servant Ireland
Patrick Kenny 21 Lodger U Ag Lab Ireland
Thomas Lannan 23 Lodger U Ag Lab Ireland


Blue

[Blue70]

Lots of Irish Kennys came to England sometimes the surname has been mistranscribed on the census sites:-

Three households in 1851 Census living not far from West Derby:-

Poor House Weint, Fazakerley Street, Prescot

John Kenny 25 Lodger Labourer Ireland (may be mistranscribed as Thenny)
Peggy Kenny 22 Wife Ireland (may be mistranscribed as Thenny)
Patrick Kenny 30 Lodger Labourer Ireland (may be mistranscribed as Thenny)


The Camp, Prescot

Patrick Kenny 26 Lodger M Labourer Ireland (may be mistranscribed as Henny)
Mary Kenny 24 Lodger M Ireland (may be mistranscribed as Henny)


11 Garden Street, Eccleston

Hugh Kenny 29 H Labourer Ireland (may be mistranscribed as Renny)
Margret Kenny 28 W Ireland (may be mistranscribed as Renny)
Thomas Kenny 7 S Ireland (may be mistranscribed as Renny)
Mary Kenny 5 D Ireland (may be mistranscribed as Renny)
Michael Kenny 2 S St Helens (may be mistranscribed as Renny)
Patrick Kenny 4 Mo S St Helens (may be mistranscribed as Renny)
Patrick Kenny 18 S Labourer Ireland (may be mistranscribed as Renny)


Blue

[laura_pye]

You guys are incredible! I thought I would be lucky if one person responded but just logged on after a day of dull meeting in work had all these responses. Thanks to you all for the help. Will have a proper read through of everything when I get home but really grateful for your help.

[Blue70]

From playing with Roots Ireland there was a Patrick and Margaret Kenny children of John and Bridget Kenny born in the RC parish of Tuam in County Galway. The Irish Tithe Applotment records have a John Kenny living in the townland of Tierboy on the Tierboy Estate also known as Terboy or Tyerboy, in the civil parish of Tuam in County Galway c1831. No sign of him or any other Kennys there on the Griffith's Valuation c1855.


Blue

[Blue70]

Some useful links and information:-

http://www.rootsireland.ie/ - For pay to view transcripts of Irish parish records

http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarc ... /index.jsp - Free Irish Tithe records

http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/ - Free Griffith's Valuation of Ireland records

http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/index.htm - Good source for surnames, place names, maps etc


Blue

[MaryA]

And our own collection of links to useful Irish sites
http://forum.liverpool-genealogy.org.uk ... 14&t=13912

[laura_pye]

Thanks both I will follow them up, you have been a great help!