Liverpool St Mary's Cemetery ?

[daggers]

I have been looking at a burial of a child who died aged 12 days at the Lying-in Hospital, Pembroke Place in 1847. The burial is recorded as at 'Liverpool St Mary's cemetery'. Can anyone place it please?

Daggers

[Blue70]

St Mary's Cemetery was in Cambridge Street. It was a parish cemetery used in the first half of the 19th century. A lot of the Irish who died in Liverpool around the time of the famine were buried there. The site is currently used for student accommodation.





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[MaryA]

Nice one Blue, do you know the date of that map please?

[Katie]

Burial records 283 MRY

[Blue70]

This map was published in 1851 but the actual surveying work dates from 1845-1849.


Blue

[MaryA]

Thanks for the extra info.

[Blue70]

It was a "recreation ground" for many years, probably a landscaped area like other old cemeteries. It looks like the site was used again from the 1950s or 1960s onwards. Usage appears to have been as part of a hospital site before its current use by students.


Blue

[daggers]

Many thanks for the map, Blue. That section is full of curious items - Fever Sheds, at the top, off Brownlow Hill. I do not like to think what conditions were like there!
Other things, too. Worth longer study.

[Katie]

Just as a matter of local history. 1847 was the main year of the influx of the starving Irish from the Potato Famine. And as we all know Liverpool had a lot to deal with, in helping and assisting those who landed on our shores. St. Mary's Cemetery contain many of these poor souls who died in the Liverpool Workhouse and in our City. I have a booklet titled St. Anthony's and the 1847 Irish famine (I think) It contains all those buried in St. Anthony's in 1847 and also all those buried at St. Mary's Cemetery, Cambridge Street in 1847. (Liverpool Corporation Cemetery before they opened Anfield)

[Blue70]

St Mary's was a parish cemetery like Walton Park. Liverpool History Projects website mentions four of them:- St John's, St Mary's, St Martin in the Fields and Walton Park. I posted about the Irish Famine burials at St Mary's and possible confusion with St Anthony's RC burials here:-

http://www.forum.liverpool-genealogy.or ... 24&t=13643


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[MaryA]

I posted about the Irish Famine burials at St Mary's and possible confusion with St Anthony's RC burials here:-

http://www.forum.liverpool-genealogy.or ... 24&t=13643

Which is too useful to get lost in Off Topic, I've moved your link to Websites.

[lynne99]

Thanks Blue 70.
I was looking at a death in workhouse of Alice Bradshaw d c 1848 and Anx says it was at St Mary's but then there was a mention of St Martins in the field.
Why would people be in the workhouse. Could it be because they were ill. There were 7 burials from the workhouse on the same day as Alice and many on other days as well.

[MaryA]

Sadly if somebody was ill and the family weren't able to look after them, the only place may have been the Workhouse, which was after all an Infirmary also.

We created a bit of a timeline for some Pandemics http://forum.liverpool-genealogy.org.uk ... nza#p72695

[Blue70]

Thanks Blue 70.
I was looking at a death in workhouse of Alice Bradshaw d c 1848 and Anx says it was at St Mary's but then there was a mention of St Martins in the field.
Why would people be in the workhouse. Could it be because they were ill. There were 7 burials from the workhouse on the same day as Alice and many on other days as well.

According to Ancestry Alice was buried at St Mary's but the original image does say St Martin in the Fields. See note on image 42 it says those records are St Mary's despite saying St Martin in the Fields. Liverpool History Projects dates the use of St Mary's up to 1849 so people who died in the Workhouse around this time may have been buried at St Mary's or St Martins in the Fields. Was Alice C of E? I had a look on the St Anthony's site and she is on there although she was buried at St Mary's. According to this text from their site their database includes both Catholic and Protestant burials:-

"In addition to St Anthony's records, the burial records of Liverpool Parish are also available. These are pauper burials, both Protestant and Catholic. In the near future, the burial records of St Nicholas's will be added."

http://stanthonys-liverpool.com/general/aboutus.php

The St Anthony's project is a useful resource for researching as it says "Liverpool Catholicism in general and the Irish in particular" but people could be misled in their research because of the way the site is laid out. They might think their ancestor was buried at St Anthony's when they were buried in one of the parish cemeteries, they might presume they were Catholic when they were not Catholic and presume they were Irish or from an Irish background when they were not Irish.

Here is Alice's record on the St Anthony's site:-

http://stanthonys-liverpool.com/project ... &page_id=2


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[lynne99]

Thanks again blue 70 and Mary A.

Her husband was Edmund Bradshaw a hatter and Alice was his 2nd wife. His first marriage to Mary ?? had a child Esther who was born and died in 1807, christened at St Mary's catholic church. He married Alice in 1812 at St Nicholas. The rest is very sketchy. Alice is on 1841 census with son and daughter in law at South Hill Toxteth Park as a widow. That is the last I can find. I sent for a death cert reg Prescot, buried Childwall 1850. Son in law was buried there 1845, but age wrong and husband given as James Bradshaw - so no luck. This leaves the one in the workhouse as my next bet, but why wasn't she with her daughter in Ashton St Liverpool 1851 census.

[Blue70]

This is the note from image 42 about the burial records that say St Martin in the Fields which are St Mary's:-




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[lynne99]

Thanks blue

[lynne99]

I have got the death record for Alice Bradshaw died 1848 in the workhouse. Unfortunately it gives her husband as Robert Bradshaw and she is a widow. He was a warehouseman and my Edmund Bradshaw was a hatter. So I am still no nearer finding Alice. Perhaps she's down a rabbit hole

[lynne99]

Thanks for your help.
I have found her.
3rd time lucky.
Died 21 October 1841 reg West Derby Widow of Edmund Bradshaw hatter.
Buried Walton on the hill, 24 Oct 1841.
Is Walton on the Hill the same as St Mary's Walton.??
Thanks to Jan from the Bootle site for not letting me give up.

[Blue70]

Yes it's St Mary's Walton or St Mary's Walton on the Hill. The churchyard is in poor condition due to war damage. It can be a bit confusing because there are three St Mary's burial places: Liverpool St Mary's, St Mary's Cemetery in Kirkdale and St Mary's Church Walton. Walton on the Hill covered a large part of Liverpool, north and south. Some of my Toxteth people were buried there it was their parish church even though they lived a long distance away.


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