currie rogers

[curriesimpson]

Thanks for your help, my parents are on hols for two weeks and all records pics they have so will post all once ive scanned them and posted.

[dickiesam]

Mary Ellen Lawley was a witness at Alice Rogers marriage.

Frederick Rogers missing the 1901, can you check South Africa? DS.

Found him!

Attestation:
FREDERICK ROGERS
Birth year: 1873
Birth Town: BARBADOS, WEST INDIES
Service number 3520
Regiment South Lancashire Regiment (Prince of Wales's Volunteers) - 40th & 82nd Foot
Attestation date: 21 Sep 1891
Attestation age years: 18
Attestation Corps: South Lancashire Regiment (Prince of Wales's Volunteers)
Attestation service number 3520
Discharge Corps: South Lancashire Regiment (Prince of Wales's Volunteers)
Discharge to Reserve: 25 Jan 98
Recalled from the Reserves 13 Nov 1899.
Discharged: 20 Sep 1903.
Discharge Rank: Private
Source: Chelsea Pensioners British Army Service Records 1760-1913

He was in SA from 30 Nov 1899 to 3 Jul 1901. Promoted to Corporal 20 Nov 1896 but was busted down to Private on the 17 Sep 1897 and forfeited a Good Conduct Badge. Haven't yet worked out what he was found guilty of. Looks like "Convicted of failing to appear". He also served in Egypt and India.

Several images of his records are on Findmypast.

[Bertieone]

Splendid, DS, well done.

[dickiesam]

Splendid, DS, well done.

Ogromnoe spasibo, tovarishch!

[MaryA]

I'm amazed at both of you, what a duo, well done

[dickiesam]

I'm amazed at both of you, what a duo, well done

C'est ce que nous faisons! I tink dat's rite!

[curriesimpson]

Totally unbelievable, and ive done a family tree and all tie up, im on ancestry.co.uk and i've now got a link with all Alice Rogers new husband family including pics of her wedding and numerous other refs

[curriesimpson]

I am curious about Fredericks father, Robert was he in the navy? And based in Barbados?

[Bertieone]

Robert was in the 98th regiment, Army.

Keep in mind, the 1881 census return recording Greenwich Pensioner, normally associated with Navy/ Marines may have been a mistake and should be, Chelsea Pensioner.

[dickiesam]

I am curious about Fredericks father, Robert was he in the navy? And based in Barbados?

Robert was actually in the Army, now confirmed from his Service Discharge Record below.

ROBERT ROGERS
Birth year: 1840
Birth town: LIVERPOOL, LANCASHIRE
Service number: 252
Rank: SERGEANT
Document Type: Discharge
Attestation date: 18 Feb 1858
Discharge Corps: 98TH THE PRINCE OF WALES'S REG OF FOOT
Discharge service number: 252
Discharge date: 3 June 1879
Source: Chelsea Pensioners British Army Service Records 1760-1913

Must have been a 'good' soldier... got busted down to Private from Sergeant twice including a Court Marshal but made it back up to 3 stripes before discharge after 21 years service!

We know he served in India, Barbados and Malta with the 98th Regt from his marriage and the births of his children. You can see the history of the 98th online.

Several images of his Service Record are on Findmypast as are those of his sons.

[curriesimpson]

Mary Allen Rogers/ Robertson have their own genealogy website with all the images I require, inc. pics and marriage certs they are also on ancestry.co.uk, and one of the images looks like my father... very spooky!!!

[curriesimpson]

Dickiesam and all the others thank you, thank you so much, for all the info, my parents will be so pleased when they come back from holiday and so will my fathers sister.... again they know no history atall.

[curriesimpson]

Can i dismiss all the info about being in the navy and being on ships Pembroke and Slaney

[Bertieone]

Can i dismiss all the info about being in the navy and being on ships Pembroke and Slaney

Yes, posted only as a possible and one to consider because of Robert Rogers being declared as a Greenwich Pensioner in 1881, since proven not to be correct by further findings.

[curriesimpson]

Thank you, it makes sense now

[curriesimpson]

Ive got all the army docs of Robert, Frederick and his brother, thank you.
How would i know find out about about Roberts father and mother, ie where where they born etc.

[dickiesam]

How would i know find out about about Roberts father and mother, ie where where they born etc.

You have Robert's approximate age and place of origin from the 1881 census where he is back home as a Chelsea Pensioner. His father's name could be on his enlistment record. Because his marriage to Catherine Lawley took place in India it didn't make its way into the GRO record as far as I can see. And their respective fathers are not shown on the marriage register page.

The document detailing his release from the Militia and enlisting in the 98th Regt dated 24 Feb 1858 states his age as 23. That points to a 1835 birth or thereabouts. This was before the civil registers began in 1837 so there would be no birth certificate only a parish baptism with a bit of luck.

You could look for Robert in the 1841 and 1851 although there will probably be more than one. If you trace the ones you find in the 1861 when we know Robert was away in the Army you will be able to discount them from the earlier censuses.

Edited to correct an OOOPS!

[Bertieone]

I would have thought the most likely birth date for Robert would be 1836 ish, recorded on the 1881 census and on the marriage notification, India. Deaths in Lancashire, 1881-1891 giving best fit,

Robert Rogers, aged 48, 1883,
West Derby, 8b 242.

[dickiesam]

I would have thought the most likely birth date for Robert would be 1836 ish, recorded on the 1881 census and on the marriage notification, India. Deaths in Lancashire, 1881-1891 giving best fit,

Robert Rogers, aged 48, 1883,
West Derby, 8b 242.

My bad this time Bert! Only a decade out....
Post edited to correct it.

[curriesimpson]

On all his army records it states in 1858 he was 18, so that makes 1840 and born in liverpool