Henrietta Lancaster (Yates)

[Bertieone]

She died at 121 Smithdown rd, was that Liverpool South?

The 1911 summary book has, 111 Smithdown Rd, Shop. 123 Smithdown Rd, Doctors Surgery. Between them, the Balfour Institute, which must have still been there in 1950, the Beatles played there in the 60s.

Wondering what was 121 in 1950?

[MaryA]

Yes that was Liverpool South, sorry I was getting confused between there and the recent research in Everton.

Will send a message to Erika, she has a 1938 directory.

[dickiesam]

Death: HENRIETTA LANCASTER
Birth year: 1876
Age: 74
Death year: 1950; Sep qtr
District: LIVERPOOL SOUTH; Volume: 10D; Page: 507

This isn't gelling with the address in Everton.
I think checking newspapers for a death entry should be the first call.

Henrietta's place of death was 121 Smithdown Road. That would be Liverpool South? And I know the pseudo-address for Smithdown Road Infirmary on certs was #126 Smithdown Road, so could she have been there and the 6 misread for a 1?

[Bertieone]

Yes that was Liverpool South, sorry I was getting confused between there and the recent research in Everton.

Will send a message to Erika, she has a 1938 directory.

Mary,


http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/1547/ ... ,2276,1646

[Bertieone]

Death: HENRIETTA LANCASTER
Birth year: 1876
Age: 74
Death year: 1950; Sep qtr
District: LIVERPOOL SOUTH; Volume: 10D; Page: 507

This isn't gelling with the address in Everton.
I think checking newspapers for a death entry should be the first call.

Henrietta's place of death was 121 Smithdown Road. That would be Liverpool South? And I know the pseudo-address for Smithdown Road Infirmary on certs was #126 Smithdown Road, so could she have been there and the 6 misread for a 1?

Likely DS, there was not a 121 in 1938.

[dickiesam]

And this is something that has been bothering me.....

This appears to be the son who died in 1940.
Deaths Dec 1940: Yates, Walter [26] - Liverpool N. 8b 729

The only Lancs birth that fits 1913 - 1915 is:
Births Jun 1914: YATES, Walter S [Roberts] - W.Derby 8b 613

If that is the right birth and Henrietta is the mother, where does the nee Roberts come from? Does the plot thicken or was Walter not registered either?

[Bertieone]

My initial thoughts were neither were registered, why register one and not the other. I also think Lancaster was her married name, I couldn't find a Henrietta Lancaster born in Liverpool around her birth date of 1876. The only Henrietta Lancaster I could find that had 5 or more children to leave behind was the one I posted earlier. She may not have left her children, she may have been thrown out and not allowed to take them with her.

[Goldstone]

I only have a copy of her DC so it could very well be 126 Smithdown. With regard to Walter I agree that he was probably not registered either and the Roberts confuses me completely. My grandmother was known to be a very lovely gentle "lady" and it seems unreal that she would willing leave her kids so the plot does thicken but am still determined to find her burial place. I know that my dad didn't know about the Lancaster name until the day she died and 2 of her daughters attended her funeral, don't think they kept in touch after and the following year we left for NZ.

[Goldstone]

With regard to Newton Terrace being on DC, I found that strange as my sister and I both believe she lived in William Henry Street and that's where we remember visiting her. Spent many nights there.

[erika]

Hi All

Have only just got my pm from Mary, sorry too busy enjoying an evening outside socialising!!!

Anyway 1938 directory hasn't a 121 Smithdown Road listed.
At 117 is Balfour Institute Recreation Club
Then it's Garrick Street
Then 123 is Pearl Assurance Co Ltd

126 is the Municipal Hospital and then there is nothing until 132 which is John Bevan garage proprieter.

Thinking it's more likely to be 126 as a place of death and the number looks like a 1 instead of 6.

[MaryA]

Thanks Erika - and Bert for the link!

So it makes sense that, although she may have lived in Everton, she was in hospital when she died and explains the Liverpool South district.

Has the name of whoever registered the death been posted and I'm missing it? Surely it must have been a family member for the two names to have been known about.

[dickiesam]

With regard to Newton Terrace being on DC, I found that strange as my sister and I both believe she lived in William Henry Street and that's where we remember visiting her. Spent many nights there.

Since Rokeby Street ran from Everton Brow to William Henry Street, it is possible that Newton Terrace was at the latter end and abutted onto William Henry Street.

[Alison C]

Henrietta Ellison, bn, baptised, 1876, Liverpool married Charles William Lancaster, bn 1872.
Married Liverpool 1894.

If this is the correct Henrietta, then FreeBMD has the following births/deaths which could belong to her and William Henry Yates:
Births Sep 1917: YATES, Florence S, mother's name Ellison - W.Derby, 8b, 759
Deaths Mar 1918: YATES, Florence S, Age 0 - W.Derby, 8b, 682

Births Dec 1919: YATES, Henrietta, mother's name Ellison - W Derby, 8b, 1018
Deaths Mar Jun 1921: YATES Henrietta, Age 1 - W Derby, 8b, 525

Interesting that these two were registered but William Henry and Walter were not. I did wonder if they were registered as Ellison or Lancaster since Henrietta and William weren't married but no sign of any possible registrations for those either.

Henrietta is not listed on the Toxteth Park Cemetery website, so it looks like she was not buried there. Do we know where her "husband" William Henry Yates is buried or when he died??

Alison

[MaryA]

We have a lot of "ifs" here, would it be beneficial to have some details from her marriage certificate? It appears to have been either at a Register Office or an RC church that is not available online so no clues as to where to look, also as you seem to be sure she wasn't RC then likely it was a Register Office.

Where were Charles and Henrietta in 1901 and 1911? It might narrow down when William and Henrietta got together.

[Bertieone]

1911, RG14 P22509
95 Oakfield rd Everton

Charles Lancaster 39
Henretta Lancaster 35
Amelia Lancaster 16
Ellen Lancaster 13
Hannath Lancaster 11
John Lancaster 8
Esther Lancaster 4
Alice Lancaster 1

[MaryA]

Henretta Lancaster 35

Thanks haha somebody can't spell - and it's not ME! blasted transcribers.

[MaryA]

My thoughts are that it would be worth checking Anfield or West Derby Cemetery, although a Crematorium is also possible, my vote is still to check newspaper first.

[MaryA]

Do you have the baby Henrietta's burial in Walton Parochial Cemetery?
Grave 51.U paid 10/- Henrietta Yates 5 Gadsby Street, Everton, 16th April 1921 age 19 months.

and
Florence Sybil Yates, same address, 12th February, 1918 age 8 months Grave 42.M paid 5/-

There don't appear to be any entries online for this cemetery for 1950, could be worth checking there, need to look it up at the Record Office.

[Bertieone]

Concerning the 2 children, Henrietta and Florence, no marriage took place between a male Yates and a female Ellison, 1870/1920, Liverpool.

[Goldstone]

Thanks Erika - and Bert for the link!

So it makes sense that, although she may have lived in Everton, she was in hospital when she died and explains the Liverpool South district.

Has the name of whoever registered the death been posted and I'm missing it? Surely it must have been a family member for the two names to have been known about.

My father William Henry Yates of 116 Barkbeth Road, Huyton, registered the death but as I said earlier the Newton Terrace address is a complete mystery to us.