The Walsh/ Welsh Family

[yappie]

Hi Folks
I am hoping you can help me once again. I have John Walsh b 23/12/1866 bap. 30/12/1866 St Anthonys eldest son of Patrick Walsh/Mary McCormick. 1891 cencus he is living with brother Martin and 1911 with sister Catherine. He died in 1938 and is buried in Ford cemetery with his brother Patrick's family. As he was in the Merchant Navy there is little further information Although the family were Irish Catholics I have found a marriage in St Peters Church for John Walsh to Mary Jane Lyon 28/02/1892. The 1901 cencus shows John Walsh, Mary and two children Nelly b 1893 and James 1900. What is strange is I have found a baptism for Ellen (Nelly) Walsh b 09/06/1893 bap 26/06/1893 in St Peters but also in St Francis Xavier (RC) 02/02/1906 with a "conditional clause" which I cannot quite decipher. I am wondering if John and Mary married in a CofE Church and perhaps Mary died around 1905 and the family had "Nelly" baptised again in a RC church.
The records in St Peters Church for 1893 appear to be missing.
Also the family swapped between Walsh & Welsh in a lot of records and the same for their religion.
Sorry if I have rambled on but hope you will understand.
yappie

[Bertieone]

Hi Yappie,

I can't quite make out the third word, putting what I thought, conditionale ab heresi conversa, it translates to.

Conditional on the party turned/changed,

it looks like a change of religion.

[yappie]

Thank you so much Bert - that is what I thought and I found John and Mary's marriage on Family search with father Patrick but would still like to see the original. I am hoping I am on the right track.
yappi

[MaryA]

The records in St Peters Church for 1893 appear to be missing.

Have you actually checked with the Record Office that they are missing? If they aren't on their microfilm they may have the original register. Or are they just missing from online sources, which I know much of St Peter's is not on Ancestry.

[yappie]

Sorry I mislead you MaryA - No I haven't checked with the Records Office. Anc. has no records on line for St Peters from 1844 to 1907. Do you have an email address for the R.O.
yappie

[MaryA]

http://liverpool.gov.uk/libraries/archi ... y-history/

There you go

[yappie]

Again many thanks MaryA for your speedy reply. What would we do without you. yappie

[yappie]

Hi A bit more sifting through records I think I have found John's wife's death
28/03/1905 Mary J Walsh age 30 Workhouse Grave No. O41 Liverpool Parochial Cemetery Walton.
Slightly off topic on the same page
24/92/1905 A Skull and some bones found (which are human) at 48 Chatham Place.
yappie

[MaryA]

24/92/1905 A Skull and some bones found (which are human) at 48 Chatham Place.

Creepy, was there mention of a Coroner? wonder if there was anything in the newspaper about it.

What gets me are so many entries for newborn unknown, one found in the Railway Tunnel, Lime Street, or male unknown. So sad.

[yappie]

It certainly is MaryA. There is no Coroner mentioned on the record although a number of other entries are "Coroners order".
I must say you Scousers move at the speed of light. I emailed the Records Office yesterday evening and 9.15 this morning had a reply. Now I am confused - there are 3 St Peters in Liverpool, Aintree original records, Church Street and Sackville Street microfilm. Haven't a clue which one I need.
Yes I find it very disturbing when searching burial records the number of new borns left in doorways, tunnels etc or in the Maldon are of Essex the number drowned. There was one lucky new born found on a stoop (step). He survived and the Church named him Thomas Gloucester (he was found near a house where the Thomas family lived in Gloucester Road. I these are the ones that stay with you.
yappie

[MaryA]

I think it will be St Peter's, Church Street - 283 PET.

[yappie]

Hi MaryA - Another big Gold Star for both the Forum and the Records office. You was right the church was St Peters Church Street. I emailed the RO last night and when I arrived home this afternoon from decorating our Church for a wedding tomorrow I received a copy of the marriage certificate - another brick out of the wall. Thank you so so much.
yappie

[MaryA]

They are being very nice to you, if the hunch hadn't worked they mightn't have taken the trouble to look at others. Great stuff.