James Marks 1816-1861

[russellci]

Can anybody point me to the Manchester equivalent of this forum?
James Marks, born in Ireland according to the 1841 census, married Mary Crowley in Liverpool St Peter, 8 Feb. 1836. He is listed as a Shoemaker. By 1841 he and Mary are living in Manchester.
The marriage in St Peter would seem to suggest that he moved with his family to Liverpool first before going on to Manchester.
Thanks
Claire

[erika]

Hi Claire

Think this might be correct

http://manchesterfamilyhist.proboards.com/

Good Luck

[Bertieone]

Hi Claire,

Hope this helps if you haven't found the 1851, bad image, can just make out, Marks and Shoemaker.

HO107, P2230, Page32,

James 36
Mary
Ann 19
Bridget
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/8860/ ... turnRecord

[dickiesam]

Re 1851... from a 'reconstituted' image transcribed in 2003 by Manchester and Lancashire FHS...
Address: 8 Hatters Court, Manchester.
JAMES MARKS - 36 - 1815 - SHOEMAKER - Birth place IRELAND
Mary Marks - 38 - Ireland
Jane Marks - Dtr - 14 - Manchester
Bridgett Marks - Dtr - 5 - Manchester
Mary Marks - Dtr - 2 - Manchester
Henry Wm - Son - 10 - Manchester
Joseph John - Son - 8 - Manchester

[Tina]

Could this possibly be the family in 1861 in Manchester
Mary 45 wid bn Ire, Henry 20, Joseph 18 both cordwainers.
Bridget 16 cigar maker, Martin 7 all born Manchester.
RG9/2955/40/18

[dickiesam]

Could this possibly be the family in 1861 in Manchester
Mary 45 wid bn Ire, Henry 20, Joseph 18 both cordwainers.
Bridget 16 cigar maker, Martin 7 all born Manchester.
RG9/2955/40/18

I think that is a brill find Tina! Well done.

Only two deaths that fit for James...
Deaths Dec 1853: Marks, James - Manchester 8d 257
Deaths Mar 1861: Marks, James - Manchester 8d 194

Since his son Martin was born in 1854...
Births Jun 1854: MARKS, Martin - Manchester 8d 266
It would be 'hopeful' to think James died in 1861, when in reality either death could be be him.

[Bertieone]

Death, 18/1/1861, Death cert (Anc)

[Tina]

Txs D.S
Bert, Death cert shows James Markes 46 journeyman shoemaker ill for 3 weeks from disease of the heart and bronchitis. Present at his death was Mary Markes who made her mark.
55 Marshall St Manchester. 18 Jan 1861 date of death.
Listed by an Ancestry member in 2012.

[russellci]

Re 1851... from a 'reconstituted' image transcribed in 2003 by Manchester and Lancashire FHS...
Address: 8 Hatters Court, Manchester.
JAMES MARKS - 36 - 1815 - SHOEMAKER - Birth place IRELAND
Mary Marks - 38 - Ireland
Jane Marks - Dtr - 14 - Manchester
Bridgett Marks - Dtr - 5 - Manchester
Mary Marks - Dtr - 2 - Manchester
Henry Wm - Son - 10 - Manchester
Joseph John - Son - 8 - Manchester

I think that is him! Thank you very much. What is a 'reconstituted' image?
Appreciate your help.
Claire

[russellci]

Thank you everybody for your help: will pass the information on to my cousin in NZ
Enjoy your weekend
Claire

[dickiesam]

Re:

I think that is him! Thank you very much. What is a 'reconstituted' image? Appreciate your help.
Claire

I believe I read some time ago that many Manchester 1851 Census Summary Forms were apparently damaged by water and are very difficult to read and transcribe and in some cases virtually impossible to use as a source. I understand the Manchester and Lancashire FHS undertook the task of scrutinising each damaged page and producing 'modern' type-written equivalents of the damaged forms wherever possible. If you look for James Marks bn 1815 in the 1851 census on Findmypast with a Mary Marks also in the household, you will see such a page.

Bert made the comment about the poor quality of the Ancestry scans from the original documents.... "Hope this helps if you haven't found the 1851, bad image, can just make out, Marks and Shoemaker.
HO107, P2230, Page32."

[Bertieone]

A portion of the damaged 1851 census form. Info here, http://www.1851-unfilmed.org.uk/records.htm

[MaryA]

Wow, whoever managed to read that did excellently well.

[russellci]

Wow, whoever managed to read that did excellently well.

They really did!
Claire