Can anyone help with my history? Curran, Robinson, Lundberg.

[Bertieone]

Name:
Robert Robinson

Birth Date:
21 Dec 1887
Baptism Date:
22 Jan 1888
Parish:
Everton, Christ Church
Father's Name:
James Robinson
Mother's name:
Margaret Robinson

5 House 9 Court, Torr St,
Fathers Occupation, Carter

[dickiesam]

Regarding the death of Mary Ann Curran between April 1901 and April 1911...

This is the nearest in relation to YoB:
CURRAN, Mary Ann
Registration district: West Derby
Year of registration: 1906; Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at death: 30
Volume no: 8B
Page no: 324

There are 4 other deaths registered for the same name but YoBs are much farther 'adrift'....
CURRAN, Mary Ann - [42] - West Derby 1905
CURRAN, Mary Ann - [42] - West Derby 1905
CURRAN, Mary Ann - [28] - Liverpool 1907
CURRAN, Mary A - [30] - West Derby 1910

[Bertieone]

Name:
Edward Robinson

Birth Date:
2 Sep 1897
Baptism Date:
19 Dec 1897
Parish:
Everton, Christ Church
Father's Name:
James Robinson
Mother's name:
Margaret Robinson

80 Aspinall St, fathers occupation, carter.

[Bertieone]

Name:
Edith Robinson

Gender:
Female
Birth Date:
29 Apr 1895
Birth Place:
St Mary's Church, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Father:
James Robinson
Mother:
Margaret

[Bertieone]

Marriage search 1900/1930, Lancashire
1 hit,

Robinson Robert, Rachel Woods, W.Derby 8b 699, 1921.

[Bertieone]

Edward Walter Shannon, Emma Jane Robinson,
1903, west Derby, 8b 668

[Roppies]

Bert/DS
I can't thank you enough for all the help you have given me over the last day. All the details you have found seem to tie in.
I know I need to go to the Liverpool archives to verify the details, but living in Dorset....it makes it fairly difficult.
But maybe in a couple years, when my youngest is a bit older, I'll get the chance to stay for a couple days in Liverpool and go through the records. But at least you have given me a head start.
Any other info would be gratefully received, but thanks again for your help
Paul Curran

[Bertieone]

Possible Marriage,



Name:
James Robinson, Carter

Birth Year:
abt 1855

Age:
24
Marriage Date:
24 Aug 1879
Parish:
Bevington, St Alban
Spouse's Name:
Margaret Johnson 21
Father's Name:
James Robinson, Ships Joiner
Spouse Father's Name:
Edward Johnson, Sailor,

Witnesses, George Niven, Sarah Johnson

[Bertieone]

1891 census
RG12 P2953 F137, P27.

All Born Liverpool,

41 Torr St


James Robinson 33, Carter.
Margaret Robinson 31
Sarah Robinson 10
Emma Robinson 8
James Robinson 6
Robert Robinson 3
William Robinson 12/12
Robert William 19 Lodger

[Bertieone]

Name:
Sarah Ellen Robinson

Birth Date:
17 Nov 1880
Baptism Date:
26 Dec 1880
Parish:
Bevington, St Alban
Father's Name:
James Robinson Carter
Mother's name:
Margaret Robinson

Ankin St

[dickiesam]

Hi Paul,
With regard to the 'Liverpool archives' it would be well worth reading this post by MaryA as to what you can find and what you may not find at the Liverpool Record Office and, in particular, information from BMD certificates.
http://forum.liverpool-genealogy.org.uk ... =25&t=6937

In the meantime I suggest you collate all the info we have found for you and start a family tree to include all the details turned up so far. Then pick a specific line to chase down the descendents and post that 'chase' as a separate topic. Don't chase more than two at a time would be my mantra!

[MaryA]

St Athanasius Church, Kirkdale - 19 April 1930
James Curran age 34 Bachelor, occupation Salesman, 99 Brisbane Street
Father John Curran, occupation Barber
Margaret Robinson age 34 Spinster, 99 Brisbane Street
Father James Robinson (deceased), occupation Carter
by Banns, both signed their names
Witnesses Edward Robinson and Charlotte Richardson

[Roppies]

I can't believe how helpful you have all been! I can't thank you enough!
I am collating all the relevant supplied info onto my family tree at the moment, and then I'll look at the different branches.

Looking back through, I did make one mistake.
My dads cousin, Annie Lundberg married Ray Carley. They were landlords of The Strand pub at Seaforth (where ever that is!)

Her step sister Esther Parr married STAN, who was a champion boxer and they became landlords of the Shipperies pub (near docks I believe!). I would assume that both of these were landlords in the 1950's.

There is also a possibility that my nan, Margaret Robinson, had another sister (possibly older) as my dad remembers a "Auntie Lel"....and he is sure that this was his mums sister (possibly Lesley/Leslie). I have had no success searching on line for this.

Again, thank you for your time and info supplied.
Paul Curran

[MaryA]

Seaforth is between Bootle and Crosby, check google maps, it's on the outskirts of Liverpool.

The marriage information confirms both fathers names, one of the street names you mention, and the ages which are a little older than might have been the norm so helps with identification. I hope this information is of use to you as I went to the Record Office for it for you.

[Bertieone]

Very kind of you to do that Mary.

It appears from census and baptism information the children born to James and Margaret are as follows

Sarah E 1880
Emma 1883
James 1885
Robert 1887
William 1890
Margaret 1893
Edith 1895
Edward 1897

The 1901 census has as visitors William & Lily Dorman plus 2 of their children staying with James and Margaret, could that be Auntie Lil,perhaps a family connection?

[dickiesam]

Re:

here is also a possibility that my nan, Margaret Robinson, had another sister (possibly older) as my dad remembers a "Auntie Lel"....and he is sure that this was his mums sister (possibly Lesley/Leslie). I have had no success searching on line for this.

And from Bert:

The 1901 census has as visitors William & Lily Dorman plus 2 of their children staying with James and Margaret, could that be Auntie Lil,perhaps a family connection?

It was very common for friends of ones parents to be addressed as Auntie and Uncle by the children. I had 3 sets of such who were totally unrelated to my parents. My Auntie Elsie, who had been a lifelong friend of my mother from childhood, was still my 'Auntie' when she died in 1997 aged 90 and I had retired from work the previous year.

[Roppies]

Thank you Mary, Bert & DS.
You've put me in the right direction now.
I will collate all my info and make family charts....I have just done my Robinson one, just got to do my Curran "Liverpool" one.
Thanks for all your help, it has been really appreciated.
Paul Curran

[john finnegan]

There use to be a pub called the Shipperies in Durning Road edge Hill close to the old fire station, a few mile from the dock area.

[seeker]

Hi
I would second that about the Shipperies on Durning Rd, also there was a pub called the Strand on the main road on the corner across the road from the Liver Bldings.
seeker

[VicMar1]

"The boxer I am looking for is Ray Carley. He married my Dads cousin Annie Lundberg and I believe they were the landlords of the Shipperies Pub, in the docks area.......but thank you for that bit of info. Everything helps."

The Shipperies pub is in Durning Rd,Liverpool 7 and is some distance from any docks by any stretch of the imagination. Just thought I would point out that either the Pubs name or the location is not reliable. Indicative of memories being a little confused perhaps ? It happens all the time .
There is not and has never been a pub called the Strand in Seaforth,Litherland, Waterloo or Gt Crosby. The only pub of that name that I have ever known is now in the New Strand,Bootle, and used to be in Strand Rd up until the 70's ?