Catherine [Kate] McConnon and Arthur McComish

[murphypast]

Hi DS,
How do you go about ordering these BMD certificates? Do you have to give a quarter, year etc as you do with the English records. If so where do you search for that information? I have a baptism record for a John Murphy, mother's maiden name McConnon, born in Carrickmacross in June 1879 and would like to order the birth certificate to try and break down a long-standing brick wall!!

Regards,

Marie

[dickiesam]

Hi Marie,
The plan to email certs is in the pipeline. I don't think it is active yet because I understand they are working on a new website which will include that facility. Currently the Irish GRO can only post it to you. First step is find the birth in the Irish GRO Index. These only started in 1864.

FamilySearch are in the process of putting the Irish BMD Indices online. In many cases only the barest of detail s available. Sometimes you don't get the Volume and Page numbers!

I found this on https://www.familysearch.org/

Name: John Murphy
Event Type: Birth
Event Date: Apr - Jun 1879
Event Place: Carrickmacross, Ireland
Registration Quarter and Year: Apr - Jun 1879
Registration District: Carrickmacross
Volume Number: 2; Page Number: 478

Now go to http://www.groireland.ie/apply_for_a_cert.htm and download the Birth Cert Application form [in English!].
At the moment you cannot apply or pay online. The GRO will supply a photocopy of the Register entry for the princely sum of 4 Euro, which is about £3.25. It is exactly the same as the fully certified 'official' copy which can cost up to 20 Euro, and is ideal for family research.

Then, if you have a friendly fax, you can fax the application to them to speed up the process. They will deal with it and post the cert to you. Usually takes about 10 working days [less if you can fax it in].

DS

[murphypast]

Hi DS,
Many thanks for that. I will definitely apply for it and let you know whether it has knocked down my brick wall! My great grandmother had her 20 year old nephew John Murphy staying with her in Liverpool on the 1901 census. You can imagine how difficult that is to research but I have been looking at Murphy and McConnon marriages in Carrickmacross as she was a McConnon before she married and this birth seemed a possibility to be the nephew. It's all to try and pinpoint her baptism in or near Carrickmacross in 1862.
Thanks again for your help,

Marie

[dickiesam]

What was your great grandmother's forename?

[murphypast]

Catherine McConnon, daughter of John according to her marriage certificate (but wrongly transcribed on the marriage certificate as McCormick!!) She married Arthur McComish in Liverpool in 1879.

Marie

[dickiesam]

Catherine McConnon, daughter of John according to her marriage certificate (but wrongly transcribed on the marriage certificate as McCormick!!) She married Arthur McComish in Liverpool in 1879.

Marie

I assume this is the marriage in 1879?
Marriages Sep 1879: McComish, Arthur and McCormick, Kate - Liverpool 8b 408

It's a fair leap from McConnon to McCormick! How do you know there's an error in the transfer of the data to the GRO Index?

I found 2 baptisms with varying maiden names....
1883-4481 - ST JAMES bn 1883 bpt 1883 - MARY CATHERINE McCOMISH - father ARTHUR; mother CATHERINE nee McCONNELL
1884-4704 - ST JAMES bn 1884 bpt 1884 - ROSE McCOMISH - father ARTHUR; mother CATHERINE nee CONNOR.

[murphypast]

Hi DS,
Yes they are both correct births for the family. I have the marriage certificate and all the births/baptisms that took place in Liverpool from the marriage, 6 in total. I am currently awaiting a 7th certificate from the register office in Liverpool as Catherine stated on the 1911 census that 7 children had been born alive and three had died. There is no birth registered for this child but I have found a death and burial record that I hope is the correct one. All of the births have different surnames for Catherine - McCormick, Connell, Connor etc. Catherine signed all of them with an X so it was the transcriber who incorrectly wrote down the spellings. Some of them were later corrected at the register office but not the marriage certificate. We always knew that her name was McConnon from my grandfather. I have his original Baptismal certificate which gives his correct date of birth and baptism and correctly spells his surname as McComish and that of his mother McConnon. It is the life back in Ireland that is causing me problems with both of them still after several years of trying. I have some possible strands for her in Carrickmacross if I can tie her in with them hence the nephew John Murphy but her baptism does not seem to be in the register there. I also have some possible strands for Arthur in County Down again if I can tie him in.
Thanks again for your help,

Regards,

Marie

[dickiesam]

What was Arthur's father's name and occupation on the marriage cert?

And I think it would be a good idea to ask an administrator to move this thread to Other Area Help where there will be more eyes to help. I have changed the Subject to be more appropriate. I'll PM the request for you now. Hope that's OK?

[murphypast]

Hi DS,

That's fine. Arthur's father was also Arthur, occupation bleacher. We know that he came from County Down but not where. I have been honing in on Tullylish where there is a birth in 1839 (ten years out according to his age on marriage certificate) but it is proving it that's difficult,

Thanks,
Marie

[dickiesam]

Is this his death?

Death: MCCOMBISH, Arthur
Registration district: West Derby
Year of registration: 1896; Dec qtr
Age at death: 50
Volume no: 8B; Page no: 351

And this the death of a son?
Death: MCCOMISH, Arthur
Registration district: West Derby
Year of registration: 1894; Sep qtr
Age at death: 6
Volume no: 8B; Page no: 331

I have requested the move to Other Area Help. It should happen today.

[murphypast]

Hi DS,

The answer is yes to both questions. I think I have the history complete in Liverpool. It is the history in Ireland that is proving a problem to solve. Thanks again for your help,

Marie

[Blue70]

Looking on Roots Ireland there's an RC baptism in 1859 for an Owen McConnon son of John McConnon in Carrickmacross, County Monaghan. No Catherine. On Griffiths Valuation there is a John Maconnon in the Townland of Mullanarry in the Parish of Magheross in County Monaghan. The original image actually says "Town of Carrickmacross". The valuation dates from 1858-60.


Blue

[Blue70]

Griffiths Valuation of County Down took place 1863/64. There is an Arthur McComish in Ballyleny Townland in Magheralin Parish in County Down.


Blue

[Blue70]

Information here about errors on parish records relating to Tullylish being in Down not Antrim:-

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=641518.0


Blue

[murphypast]

Hi Blue,

Thanks for those hints. I will follow them up as soon as I can. I'm going to be involved with grandchildren for the next ten days so probably won't get near my computer!

Marie

[Blue70]

The civil and RC parishes of Tullylish and Magheralin are shown on the link below:-

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.anc ... rishes.htm


Blue