Shepherd/Carter Family Tree

[allanpshepherd123]

I have checked the 1911 census and as Toya Wilcox said/sang, it's a mystery!!

Best Regards
Allan

[Bertieone]

I have checked the 1911 census and as Toya Wilcox said/sang, it's a mystery!!

Best Regards
Allan

Are you sure they weren't "Living next door to Alice"

[dickiesam]

Re:

I know her sweetheart went to war and never returned which is why she stayed single.

No wish to doubt a family story but if Alice was born in 1908 she would have been very young to have a sweetheart killed in WW1, barely 10 in 1918. Is it possible she wasn't a Shepherd and was fostered/taken in as a very young child after 1911 by William and Mary? Her erstwhile 'brothers' may never have known she was not a 'blood' sister.

[allanpshepherd123]

Hi dickiesam

Oh you are a card!! Her sweetheart was in WW2.

I will speak with my older brother to see if he can solve the mystery.

Best Regards
Allan

[dickiesam]

Another thought... When did Alice die? There are only 3 deaths in Liverpool from 1967, when you say you remember her, to 2000.

SHEPHERD, Alice Marion - Liverpool 1977 [bn 05/04/1896]
SHEPHERD, Ada Alice - Liverpool 1974 [bn 23/08/1912]
SHEPHERD, Elizabeth Alice - Liverpool 1997 [bn 21/07/1909]

The lack of a matching birth would indicate that the deceased had been married.

[dickiesam]

Hi Allan,
Still thinking sideways...
Do either of these female Shepherd nee Carter births fit your family?

Births Jun 1912: Shepherd, Catherine [Carter] W.Derby 8b 535
Births Mar 1919: Shepherd, Elizabeth A [Carter] W.Derby 8b 450

For Alice to have a sweetheart who went to war in 1939, the Elizabeth A bn 1919 may have been Alice, and she would have been sweetheart age at 20-ish.

[allanpshepherd123]

Hi dickiesam

You just beat me to the tape. Mystery solved.

Elizabeth Alice Shepherd March qtr 1919 West Derby 8b 450 was Auntie Alice. Catherine was her sister. And yes Alice did pass away in 1997.

Many thanks.

Best Regards
Allan

[dickiesam]

Hi dickiesam

You just beat me to the tape. Mystery solved.

Elizabeth Alice Shepherd March qtr 1919 West Derby 8b 450 was Auntie Alice. Catherine was her sister. And yes Alice did pass away in 1997.

Many thanks.

Best Regards
Allan

An imaginary 'victory' double somersault by me....
The 'late bird' strikes again!
Pleased to have been of help.

[MaryA]

The sleuth makes his mark again! a successful solution found.

[allanpshepherd123]

Hello

I noticed that the biography for Ralph Alfred Shepherd has his age at death as 49 when in fact he was 40, his birth is shown as Dec qtr 1874 West Derby 8b 390 which would tie in with the 1891 census at 3 Brookhill Road Bootle showing his age as 16.

To further research his other siblings (all sisters other than my grandfather William aged 6) could you please let me know the family members living at Holmfield House Litherland when the 1901 census took place. I note that all children bar Mary Elizabeth had left home when the 1911 census was done.

Can anyone read the name Shepherd ??eury Ellen aged 3 born 1888 on the 1891 census please?

Best Regards
Allan

[MaryA]

Can anyone read the name Shepherd ??eury Ellen aged 3 born 1888 on the 1891 census please?

Although I would have suspected it to be Mary Ellen, the writing doesn't look like it, in fact the first letter appears to be an N - have you considered the birth of
Nellie Shepherd in Q4 1887 West Derby 8b 507

If you wanted to apply for the birth certificate you could specify that the father had to be Ralph or else you wouldn't want the certificate, that could guarantee it.

Hmmmm I suspect the enumerator made a complete hash of writing the name above and it could be Henry Ellen - ie Henrietta

1901 Holmfield House, Litherland
Ralph Shepherd Head M 58 Brickfield Labourer Lancs Manchester
Catherine Wife M 54 Lancs Liverpool
Mary daur S 21 Lancs Walton
Ann J daur S 19 " "
George W Son S 16 Brickfield Labourer Lancs Litherland
Henrietta daur S 13 Lancs Litherland
Catherine daur 7 Lancs Bootle
RG13; Piece: 3449; Folio: 179; Page: 5

[dickiesam]

I found the wrong one! Post cancelled/withdrawn/scrubbed/... etc!

[MaryA]

1891: RG12 Piece: 2983 Folio: 119 Page: 50
at 49 York Road, Great Crosby, Lancashire
Quite clear on the Census Summary Page is...
SHEPHERD, Nellie - Dtr - 3 - 1888 - Great Crosby, Lancashire

In that case it rules out Nellie being our entry, but I have amended my entry and believe it would be Henrietta.

[dickiesam]

Just searched all Shepherd births registered in West Derby 1887 to 1889. The only one that comes close is the one MaryA suggested..... And the enumerator made a complete shambles of transferring the name from the Household return.

Births Mar 1888: SHEPHERD, Henrietta W Derby 8b 519

Her baptism may be online?

[allanpshepherd123]

Hello Mary A and dickiesam

Many thanks for the added information, I will now endeavour to follow my grandfathers siblings and see where it leads me.

Best Regards
Allan

[MaryA]

Her baptism may be online?

Nope, I had checked but think it's probably because it would have been in the Bootle/Litherland area, not so much online as for Liverpool.

[allanpshepherd123]

Hello Eileen

Read an article on "Bootle Times" forum about John O'Connell Bootle survivor, Lusitania by BOBHAMO. Lily8 on same site pointed me to the National Archives regarding the MIC (medal index card) for Ralph Alfred Shepherd.

I now have the MIC certificate indicating Mercantile Marine Medal, British Medal and Clasps being received 20/04/1922 by widow M Shepherd living at 13 Kilburn Street Litherland after her application dated 22/06/1921.

Many thanks for all who have contributed so far from both sites.

Best Regards
Allan

I will endeavour to see what become of Ralph's wife Hannah Margaret (nee Boylan) and his children in later years.

[allanpshepherd123]

After having help to solve my Auntie Elizabeth Alice Shepherd born 1919 I have come across an anomaly with another Alice Shepherd.

On the 1891 census at 3 Brookhill Road Bootle Alice Shepherd is shown as age 9 (along with siblings Mary 11, William 6 and Henrietta 3) presumably born 1882. Cannot find a GRO reference for Alice.

On the 1901 census at Holmfield House Litherland there is no "Alice" but there is an Ann J Shepherd (found GRO June qtr 1882 West Derby 8b 501) age 19. Is there any reason that I have missed to suggest that Alice and Ann J are the same person?

Also Henrietta age 3 on the 1891 census is not on the 1901 census and I cannot find a registered death, any thoughts?

Best Regards
Allan

[dickiesam]

Hi Alan,
Looked at the actual Census Summary Page but can't see a daughter Alice in the Shepherd family. The only 9 year-old is Ann J.

1891: RG12 Piece: 2969 Folio: 100 Page: 17
Address: 3 Brookhill Road, Bootle Cum Linacre, Bootle, Lancashire
SHEPHERD, Ralph Head Md 48 1843 General Labourer - Hulme, Manchester
SHEPHERD, Catherine Wife 44 1847 Liverpool
SHEPHERD, Ralph A Son 16 1875 General Labourer - Liverpool
SHEPHERD, Sarah Dtr 14 1877 Liverpool
SHEPHERD, Mary Dtr 11 1880 Scholar - Walton
SHEPHERD, Ann J Dtr 9 1882 Scholar - Walton
SHEPHERD, William Son 6 1885 Scholar - Litherland
SHEPHERD, Henrietta Dtr 3 1888 Litherland

Birth: SHEPHERD, Ann Jane
Registration district: West Derby
Year of registration: 1882; Jun qtr
Volume no: 8B; Page no: 501

[dickiesam]

Re Henrietta!
Must be a bad transcription in the info you are looking at?

Census Summary Page shows....
1901: RG13 Piece: 3449 Folio: 179 Page: 5
Address: Holmfield House, Litherland, Lancashire
SHEPHERD, Ralph Head Md 58 1843 Brickfield Labourer - Manchester
SHEPHERD, Catherine Wife 54 1847 Liverpool
SHEPHERD, Mary E Dtr U/m 21 1880 Walton
SHEPHERD, Ann J Dtr U/m 19 1882 Walton
SHEPHERD, George W Son 16 1885 Brickfield Labourer - Litherland
SHEPHERD, Henrietta Dtr 13 1888 Litherland
SHEPHERD, Catherine Dtr 7 1894 Bootle, Lancashire