Royal Engineers

[restela]

Should add, info from RE sheet.

Bertione You were very precise ... amazing the way you found all this info ...
Thank you once more ,
Regards

[dickiesam]

Excellent find Bert, but a bit puzzled about the claim to be born in Middlesex though. Haven't found a good candidate for his birth.

However, this could be him and spouse in 1901...
RG13 - Piece: 734 - Folio: 85 - Page: 19
Two families are living at:
Address: 13 Clifton Road, Gillingham, Kent
THOMPSON, William - Head - Married - 31 - 1870 - Staff Sergt, Royal Engineers - Bermondsey, London
THOMPSON, Caroline - Wife - 29 - 1872 - Sheerness, Kent
THOMPSON, William - Son - 3 - 1898 - Sheerness, Kent
*******
POTTER, Miles - Head - Married - 30 - 1871 - Sapper, Royal Engineers - Bradford, Yorkshire.
POTTER, Florrie - Wife - 25 - 1876 - London.

Roberto, you posted earlier that William had been born 05.JUL.1871 in Argentina of Irish parents. Where did that information come from? If you know he was baptised William Edward do you have the baptism cert?

[daggers]

Just a small point to say that the Lancashire Fusliers and Royal Fusiliers were two different regiments then and should not be confused!
The Royal Regiment of Fusiliers was a much later amalgamation of a number of different regiments.
Well done finding all that!
D

[dickiesam]

In the 1910+1 census..

Living at 140 Livingstone Road, Gillingham, Kent are:
THOMPSON, Caroline - Head - Md - 39 - bn Sheerness, Kent.
THOMPSON, William Campbell - Son - 13 - bn Sheerness, Kent.
STREETING, William Arthur - Nephew - 11 - Sheerness, Kent.

It would appear that her son William [13] was the only child born to her marriage and this is possibly his birth....
Birth: THOMPSON, William C
Regiment: Army Service Corps - Commissariat & Transport Corp
Year: 1898; Volume: 647; Page: 150
Record source: GRO Regimental Birth Indices (1761 to 1924)

[restela]

In the 1910+1 census..

Living at 140 Livingstone Road, Gillingham, Kent are:
THOMPSON, Caroline - Head - Md - 39 - bn Sheerness, Kent.
THOMPSON, William Campbell - Son - 13 - bn Sheerness, Kent.
STREETING, William Arthur - Nephew - 11 - Sheerness, Kent.

It would appear that her son William [13] was the only child born to her marriage and this is possibly his birth....
Birth: THOMPSON, William C
Regiment: Army Service Corps - Commissariat & Transport Corp
Year: 1898; Volume: 647; Page: 150
Record source: GRO Regimental Birth Indices (1761 to 1924)

Hi DS , You're quite right about birthplace in Middlesex as a discrepancy.

I think that William lied about that , and that's why you're unable to find his birth cert.

Civil registration started in late 1880's in Argentina , but RC church was able to registrate life events as legal.

I got this from LDS , is William's baptism records , it shows birth date i gave you.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... wc=9492108

[restela]

http://www.ancestry.co.uk/subscribe/products/?p=ppv

There's 28 images in the Military collection.

Hi Bertione , I could access to Ancestry via that link , and I got this

"....
Name: William Thompson
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Age at enlistment: 21
Birth County: Middlesex
Document Year: 1892
Regimental Number: 26308
Regiment Name: Royal Engineers
Number of images: 5 ...."

But instead of 28 images it shows 5 .... and couldnt find sister info ( Mrs Bowlina ) either ..
Could you please copy the exact link by you saw the info you posted ?

Thanks in advance

SORRY , FORGET ABOUT THIS !!! I FOUND IT

[restela]

Just a small point to say that the Lancashire Fusliers and Royal Fusiliers were two different regiments then and should not be confused!
The Royal Regiment of Fusiliers was a much later amalgamation of a number of different regiments.
Well done finding all that!
D

Hi Daggers , I meant LF but wrongly posted RF , Thank you !

[dickiesam]

Hi DS , You're quite right about birthplace in Middlesex as a discrepancy.

I think that William lied about that , and that's why you're unable to find his birth cert.

Civil registration started in late 1880's in Argentina , but RC church was able to registrate life events as legal.

I got this from LDS , is William's baptism records , it shows birth date i gave you.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... wc=9492108

Thanks for posting the baptism Roberto. It explains why he named his own son William Campbell Thompson. His own father had Campbell as a second forename. That points to the possibility that Campbell was the maiden name of his grandmother.

Death: THOMPSON, William Campbell
Registration district: Chatham, Kent
Year of registration: 1969; Sep qtr
Date of Birth: 16 April 1897
Volume no: 5F; Page no: 386

And this might be his father...
Death: THOMPSON, William E
Registration district: Chatham, Kent
Year of registration: 1947; Mar qtr
Age at death: 78
Volume no: 5B; Page no: 495

[restela]

Hi DS , You're quite right about birthplace in Middlesex as a discrepancy.

I think that William lied about that , and that's why you're unable to find his birth cert.

Civil registration started in late 1880's in Argentina , but RC church was able to registrate life events as legal.

I got this from LDS , is William's baptism records , it shows birth date i gave you.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... wc=9492108

Thanks for posting the baptism Roberto. It explains why he named his own son William Campbell Thomson. His own father had Campbell as a second forename.

DS , I'm the grateful to you all for your help .... maybe I find some more info of John birthplace.

I made a contact via email to search for John's mother records in Lpool Workhouse , but I have any news yet.

Regards

[restela]

Hi,

Attestation Form,
Questions put to recruit,

Question 7, Are you or have you been a apprentice ...........

Answered, Yes 5 years, Central Argentine Railway,

Attestation form dated, 23 January 1892
Prior to joining the Royal Engineers he was in the 3rd Battalion, Lancashire Fusiliers, 7459, for I think 49 days.
He was 21 years 6 months old on joining and was discharged to pension on the 23 1 1912,

There is quite a bit on him and it may be worth buying some credits on Ancestry, if you are able to do so.

Well done Bertione ! .... as you say it seems to be him ...

Pls tell me how is the procedure with the credits
Thank you very much for your help !

Hi Bertione ! I was unable to find William's papers ( # 7459 for 3rd Battalion, Lancashire
Fusiliers ) , could you by any chance get it ?

I would appreciate your help again ,
Regards,
Roberto

[Bertieone]

Hi Roberto,

There's nothing separate, or at least nothing I can find for information regarding William and the Lancashire Fusiliers, apart from what is mentioned within the Pension records,
Attestation Paper,
Question 10, Do you now belong to Her Majesty's Army, etc..............
Answer, Yes, 3rd Batt Lancs Fus

Also,
Army Form E 529
Conditional Discharge Of Militiaman
3rd Batt, Lancs Fusiliers 7459
Served, 49 days.

[restela]

Hi Roberto,

There's nothing separate, or at least nothing I can find for information regarding William and the Lancashire Fusiliers, apart from what is mentioned within the Pension records,
Attestation Paper,
Question 10, Do you now belong to Her Majesty's Army, etc..............
Answer, Yes, 3rd Batt Lancs Fus

Also,
Army Form E 529
Conditional Discharge Of Militiaman
3rd Batt, Lancs Fusiliers 7459
Served, 49 days.

Thanks again for answering Bertione , Some guy at Findmypast's support told me they are unable to tell if the have a proper record in their database. And also advised me to contact TNA about WO96 Militia records...

I ' not sure how reliable is Findmypast since I couldnt find REngineers info either , which indeed is available at Ancestry.co.uk ....

What do you think about this ?

[Bertieone]

Hi Roberto,

The records you seek from TNA, http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/news/588.htm
are on FMP, any information on William, DS, would have found. I am certain of that.
Ancestry hold different records, WW1 pension records, which you have. There doesn't appear to be any more available online for William, perhaps one of our military experts can advise.

[dickiesam]

Hi Roberto,

The records you seek from TNA, http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/news/588.htm
are on FMP, any information on William, DS, would have found. I am certain of that.
Ancestry hold different records, WW1 pension records, which you have. There doesn't appear to be any more available online for William, perhaps one of our military experts can advise.

Thank you for the compliment Bert.

Roberto, the military information on Ancestry and Findmypast comes from different sources/collections. So it is possible one site will have info that the other site doesn't. And none of the record collections are anywhere near 100% complete. In many cases there is only an initial for the forename so it requires a patient slow trawl though a set of hits to find one of 'interest'.

With regard to early Militia records many did not survive, mainly because they were 'local' records and not part of the military 'establishment' coming under national government regulations.

[restela]

Hi DS , I see your point , the year is 1891 , it seems not to old but could need more than a payper-view search ...

Thank you very much !

[restela]

Hi Roberto,

The records you seek from TNA, http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/news/588.htm
are on FMP, any information on William, DS, would have found. I am certain of that.
Ancestry hold different records, WW1 pension records, which you have. There doesn't appear to be any more available online for William, perhaps one of our military experts can advise.

Many Thanks Bertione !