Workhouse records

[restela]

After John Thompson had left England for the USA does he indicate [or give a hint] anywhere in censuses or other documents what part of Ireland he was from?

Hi DS , Unfortunately there is not.

According to a family letter I've seen recently , he married ( in NYC ) an irishwoman from Ardmore,Co.Waterford.

They emigrated to South America as colonists in Brazil , and finally settled down in Argentina.

The thing is John's lifestory was never too mentioned. Just he was irish.

The letter said he died in Uruguay without knowing his youngest daughter ( my gmother ) .

I'm affraid he deserted his wife and kids (5 at that time) , or something was wrong with him , since no one of his descendants was named John after him. It's just like they "erased" him from family history.

I guess that's why his birthplace is not known... But it's what I try to find out ....

[Fledge]

An awful lot of 'erasing' goes on in family history. And desertion of children by fathers around that time.

[restela]

An awful lot of 'erasing' goes on in family history. And desertion of children by fathers around that time.

Hi Fledge , I imagine it was very shocking.

Apparently they were RC , since they got their first 3 kids baptised as RC either.

But by the time of John's "death" she baptized their two younger kids in an anglican church.

It seems she met an englishman ( at that time they lived in Rosario where british railroads brought a lot of inmigrants from UK ) and about 8 years after she married him in a methodist church , as she were protestant , which she's not.

[restela]

Hi again everybody ! I would appreciate your help on this :

I've noticed that FreeBMD death indexes show age at death only from 1866 on but there's another site , http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/ , that gives that info from 1837 on.

The thing is Liverpool area' death indexes seem not being included in that database.

Do you know if database building it's in progress or so ? It would be very helpful in telling one namesake person from another

Thanks in advance,
Regards

[MaryA]

You can see the coverage here http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/deathcov.php so far as I am aware all of the databases are an ongoing project with the site but obviously dependent upon transcribers/checkers etc.

The difference between the two databases are, and somebody may well correct me, that FreeBMD, Ancestry, Findmypast and the indexes available in the Record Office are all copies of the GRO indexes, whereas those on the LancsBMD site are from the local Parish and Register Offices, which is how we get the benefit of Church names where applicable (not RC or non conformist because of the requirement to have a Registrar present).

Recent additions to LancsBMD are included in this list http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/update.php

[restela]

Many thanks MaryA !

[restela]

Hi Everybody ! I would appreciate your help again ,

Which cemetery in Liverpool do you think a person would be normally buried in ?

Here 's UK 1861 census info :

1861: RG09 - Piece: 2669 - Folio: 77 - Page: 19
Address: 2 Court, Cockspur Street, Liverpool, Lancashire
THOMPSON, E - Head - Widow - 61 - 1800 - Bill Paster's widow - Ireland
THOMPSON, John - Son - U/m - 23 - 1838 - Labourer - Ireland.

It must have died in between 1861-1864 , name Elizabeth or Ellen Thompson ,

Thank in advance ,
Regards

[Blue70]

The Elizabeth Thompson who died in 1867? If so here are the burial record details:-

Name: Elizabeth Thompson
Address: Workhouse
Birth Year: abt 1800
Age: 67
Burial Date: 30 Mar 1867
Cemetery: Walton Park
Grave Number: 59B
Folio: 93
Number: 740


Blue

[restela]

The Elizabeth Thompson who died in 1867? If so here are the burial record details:-

Name: Elizabeth Thompson
Address: Workhouse
Birth Year: abt 1800
Age: 67
Burial Date: 30 Mar 1867
Cemetery: Walton Park
Grave Number: 59B
Folio: 93
Number: 740


Blue

Hi Blue70 , Thanks for answering , I also supposed the same about a month ago.

Even I was told Liverpool Library was closed until May 17th , someone in this forum gave me an email and suggest me to contact him.

Since I had no news , in the meantime I decided to take a chance on that record , so I ordered the GRO's death cert .... but unfortunately I guess it's not the same person , it says " widow of John Thompson , a cabinet maker " .... that's why I asked you about this now ..

I would appreciate any comment or help ,
Regards

[Blue70]

From Ancestry:-

Possible Death Index:-

Name: Elizabeth Thompson
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1866
Age at Death: 65
Registration district: West Derby
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 583 


Possible Burial:-

Name: Mrs Thomson
Address: 59 Conway Street
Birth Year: abt 1796
Age: 70
Death: 4 Jul 1866
Burial Date: 7 Jul 1866
Place: St Anthony's


Blue

[restela]

From Ancestry:-

Possible Death Index:-

Name: Elizabeth Thompson
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1866
Age at Death: 65
Registration district: West Derby
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 583 


Possible Burial:-

Name: Mrs Thomson
Address: 59 Conway Street
Birth Year: abt 1796
Age: 70
Death: 4 Jul 1866
Burial Date: 7 Jul 1866
Place: St Anthony's


Blue

Thanks for the info Blue70, Would you mind accesing data for an Elizabeth Thompson's burial at St.Anthony's , burial date 24 SEP 1866 ? Since no birth year is listed I'm not sure if this could be a possible one too....

[Blue70]

There's no age for that entry I think it's the same person I mentioned who died in July. I'll post the image.


Blue

[Blue70]

Here it is:-






Blue

[Blue70]

This is the July burial record:-






Blue

[restela]

Here it is:-






Blue

Many Thanks ! By the way , do you have any idea what "Bernsi" or s'thing like that means , the word that is above the name ?

[Fledge]

Bernie? (short for Bernadette?).

Forget that, I don't think it can be. Could it just be a misspelling of 'burial'? There appears to be a dot to an 'i'.

[restela]

Bernie? (short for Bernadette?).

Forget that, I don't think it can be. Could it just be a misspelling of 'burial'? There appears to be a dot to an 'i'.

I don't know ... not seems to be latin either ...

Thanks anyway Fledge