Grandfather's ww1 service.

[alcavtay]

Parliament Square was off Maynard Street which was one of the streets of court dwellings.

Maynard St ran between Kinglsey Rd and Embledon St, it's an area of modern houses now.

[Red Tom]

I'm grateful to you alcavtay for correcting me, I presumed a little too much with the name (older ,but no wiser),the links were interesting,are you connected with the sites?, and do I take it you are a Southender like myself? Thanks again.

[Red Tom]

This is a picture of the man concerned. Any help to ID the uniform would be greatly appreciated.

[alcavtay]

Great photo, afraid I'm not much help with uniforms, plenty on here who are though!

I am a southender, but only a scouser by marriage and the websites are both mine, glad you found them interesting.

Amanda

[alcavtay]

If we assume he was discharged from the KLR, checking the SWB lists on ancestry show no Michael Thomas Cambell, no Michael Campbell and 2 Thomas Campbells. One Thomas Campbell was born in 1878 so not a possibility and the other born in 1891. His MIC is on ancestry http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx= ... id=2619888
It’s all a bit tenuous but maybe something to look at. I can’t find any service papers for him.

Amanda

[Red Tom]

It's looking very much as if he was Thomas- but I don't have Ancestry at home, so will check it out when I get to the library.Thanks Amanda.
p.s. what is the MIC?

[alcavtay]

sorry, MIC is Medal Index Card, it doesn't show any family information though, if you want to pm me your email address I'll send you an image.

I've had a look on ancestry and I have to ask do you know for a fact that Michael Thomas's mother was Mary Jane Mason? If not, then I would suggest that the Michael&Mary Jane family are not the right one for your grandfather... looking at the catholic baptism and death records shows that both their sons named Michael died as infants and I just don't see how Thomas Joseph could become Michael Thomas. Having said that, stranger things have turned up in family history research!!

I'd agree with other posters that you need to purchase a birth certificate to check, assuming that the age on the the marriage to Ruth Cockram is correct, there are no births registered in Liverpool for Michael Thomas for 1893-4 so it would mean requesting a certificate for Michael Campbell born in these years with the father's name as Michael Campbell.

***edit: assuming you know he was born in Liverpool! Also, feel free to ignore any advice I give as I still have plenty to learn about the finer points of family history research!***

Amanda

[daggers]

The cap badge on the photo certainly looks like the King's Liverpool Regiment. The uniform otherwise gives nothing away, though some expert might deduce something about the war-time period - type of rifle and bayonet, belt etc.
D

[Red Tom]

The cap badge on the photo certainly looks like the King's Liverpool Regiment. The uniform otherwise gives nothing away, though some expert might deduce something about the war-time period - type of rifle and bayonet, belt etc.
D

Thank you for that daggers.

[Red Tom]

sorry, MIC is Medal Index Card, it doesn't show any family information though, if you want to pm me your email address I'll send you an image.

I've had a look on ancestry and I have to ask do you know for a fact that Michael Thomas's mother was Mary Jane Mason? If not, then I would suggest that the Michael&Mary Jane family are not the right one for your grandfather... looking at the catholic baptism and death records shows that both their sons named Michael died as infants and I just don't see how Thomas Joseph could become Michael Thomas. Having said that, stranger things have turned up in family history research!!

I'd agree with other posters that you need to purchase a birth certificate to check, assuming that the age on the the marriage to Ruth Cockram is correct, there are no births registered in Liverpool for Michael Thomas for 1893-4 so it would mean requesting a certificate for Michael Campbell born in these years with the father's name as Michael Campbell.

***edit: assuming you know he was born in Liverpool! Also, feel free to ignore any advice I give as I still have plenty to learn about the finer points of family history research!***

Amanda

It's obvious something is askew somewhere along the line, his wedding certificate must be my first purchase, as I can't see how I can get a birth cert without an accurate name and dob!. I can see the point you make re a possible mix up with the family, but I am 100% positive as the information came from my dad personally, he was a 4th generation tradesman painter/decorator, and we spoke at length about his uncles, whom he was apprenticed to, and all of these names are in the tree as I have it, inc Michael and Mary Jane Mason.Whatever the confusion, I'm hoping the certificate will point the way!

[alcavtay]

fair enough, as I say, stranger things have turned up! I wouldn't question information from relatives, have you looked into the possibility that he was an adopted nephew or something?

The wedding certificate is available online... pm me your email address and save yourself a tenner

from the marriage certificate:
21 March 1915 Liverpool Parish Church
Michael Thomas Campbell age 21,bachelor, painter, Heath Street, father Michael Campbell painter

Ruth Cockram, 20, spinster, Heath Street, father Samuel Cockram Carter
witnesses A Whittle, E Lyon

Heath Street had lots of apartment buildings so it's likely that's where they set up home together, there are 2 Campbell families there in the 1911 census but no Michaels.

To add to the confusion, his brother Richard was married in 1913 in a Catholic church and his father is listed as Michael Campbell, deceased, painter. Their older brother John James was a witness.

[MaryA]

http://forum.liverpool-genealogy.org.uk ... =16&t=9817
Details of how to upload to photobucket and show the picture in your message, useful for certificates, but crop to just what is needed first.

[alcavtay]

http://forum.liverpool-genealogy.org.uk ... =16&t=9817
Details of how to upload to photobucket and show the picture in your message, useful for certificates, but crop to just what is needed first.

will do, wasn't sure about the forum rules for posting things from a certain online source?

[alcavtay]

To save duplication then, I've 'sourced' the marriage records for Michael Thomas and his siblings and will photobucket them this afternoon.

[Hilary]

Richard Campbell marries at St Polycarp Everton (C of E)

I've found the family in 1901

16 __________ St
Michael Campbell 38 painter (house)
Mary Jane 36
Mary Ann 17
John James 14 painter
Richard 11
Thomas 4
Elizabeth 2

Maybe Thomas told a few porkies!!

On John James' marriage in 1906 to Martha Mary Whittle he states father Michael a painter is deceased.

[Hilary]

I am coming to the conclusion that Thomas Joseph born 23 Dec 1896 christened J10 Jan 1897 is your Michael.

The family in the 1901 census I found are the children of Michael Campbell and Mary Jane Mason - their baptisms are on Ancestry.

I wonder if after his father's death which must have happened between 1901 and 1906 it was decide to drop the Joseph and use Michael instead.

I have a great uncle who was registered and christened as Thomas but always used Frederick Thomas!

I think Thomas aged 14 and Lizzie his sister aged 12 are living with their sister and brother in law Michael and Mary Ann McCormick in 1911 at 3 Parliament Square Liverpool. Thomas is a paperhanger

JUst trying to get proof of the marriage they married in 1907 but need to make sure father is Michael

Mary Ann Campbell daughter of Michael Campbell painter deceased married Michael McCormick at St Nicholas C of E on 4 August 1907. John James Campbell was the witness.

[alcavtay]

It looks like the father Michael died in 1905 and the mother Mary Jane in 1907, all children's marriages after that state the father as deceased... except for Michael/Thomas!

Here are a few images for the marriages:

[Hilary]

I think this could be his death

Thomas Campbell March Q 1923 West Derby vol 8b p568 aged 26

[alcavtay]

Possible medal card

[alcavtay]

SWB index for Thomas Campbell