Elizabeth A. Liversedge

[george68]

I was wondering if anybody might be able to help me. I am doing research for my Great Grandmother Elizabeth Annie Liversedge. She was born to John Liversedge and Anne Chadwick on January 16, 1880 at 21 Harrington Road, West Derby and Toxteth Park.
I know she married her first husband Adam Gibson in August 1899 they had five children together. Her first husband Adam died in 1910.
Her second husband I cant find out when they were married. I do know in the 1911 Census that he was living with her.
His name on the census is listed as Edward Patrick McGee. They were living at 74 Eversley Street Toxteth Park (I think I misspelled Eversley) She is listed as Elizabeth Gibson her marriage status is widow.
I have the passenger list for when they came over to the Untied States in October 1911 they are all listed as McGee.
I tried looking on Ancestry.com for a marriage for Elizabeth Gibson and a Edward McGee but they have no record of the marriage.
One other question does anyone have a phone directory they show the addresses for relatives from country that they came
and one address is 137 Windsor Street the other is 13 Dale Street Haslington England. There are no names given.
One thing about Edward he was listed as Edward Patrick McGee on the census everybody in my family knew him as Edward Joseph McGee. On the World War One draft registration he even shows his middle name Joseph and his date of birth as October 23, 1873.
I live over in the United States and it makes it difficult to try and find out much. could someone point me to where I would look?
George

[dickiesam]

Hi George and welcome,
There isn't a marriage listed in the England and Wales Index for 1911.

Where and when did Elizabeth and Edward sail from and on what ship? There is the possibility of a ship-board marriage, or if they left from Scotland or Ireland they may have married there.

[Bertieone]

Deleted, misleading and incorrect info.

[Bertieone]

Hi George and welcome,
There isn't a marriage listed in the England and Wales Index for 1911.

Where and when did Elizabeth and Edward sail from and on what ship? There is the possibility of a ship-board marriage, or if they left from Scotland or Ireland they may have married there.

Name:
Edward McGee
Arrival Date:
10 Oct 1911
Age:
36
Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1875
Gender:Male
Ethnic Background:
Irish
Port of Departure:
Liverpool, England
Ship Name:Bohemian:
Port of Arrival Boston, Massachusetts
Last Residence:England
Birthplace:Dublin, Ireland

[erika]

Hi George

Not sure if you were meaning the streets were in Liverpool, but Windsor Street is listed.
I looked in my 1911 and 1914 directories, but 137 is not mentioned in either directory.
It was a long street and many around that number seem to be shops,
Haslington is a place near Crewe in England, quite some distance from Liverpool. I haven't any directories for that area unfortunately.

[dickiesam]

McGee family on the Bohemian, departing Liverpool 30th September 1911.
Destination port: Boston, USA

Mr A MCGEE
Mrs MCGEE
Miss A MCGEE
Miss A MCGEE
Miss Ada MCGEE
Master C MCGEE
Master J MCGEE

Apart from Mr A and one Miss A, all the initials fit with the census a couple of months earlier.

Bert, that June qtr marriage in FreeBMD.....? One of the Elizabeths is a Gilson and is in the Index as such on Page 345. Elizabeth A Gibson is on Page 340. Which one did James Mawdsley marry?

In Lancashire marriages from Jun qtr to Sep qtr there isn't a candidate for Edward McGhee, McGee, Magee or McKee, etc.

[dickiesam]

Re 137 Windsor Street, Toxteth Park, Liverpool.
In 1901 it is the home of the Davies family and in the next census it is uninhabited.

[Bertieone]

Hi DS,

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NF1J-B4S


Specsavers I think.

[dickiesam]

Hi DS,

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NF1J-B4S

Specsavers I think.

TVM.. Got new specs last week, that how I spotted Gilson.

[Bertieone]

Hi DS,

Who did Elizabeth A Gilson marry?

[dickiesam]

Hi DS,

Who did Elizabeth A Gilson marry?

Ah... Glad you asked that!
Searched for Gilson births using just the maiden name and found....
Births Dec 1911: Griffiths, Florence M - Gilson - W.Derby - 8b - 909
Births Jun 1917: GRIFFITHS, George - Gilson - W.Derby - 8b - 802
Births Sep 1918: Griffiths - Edna M - Gilson - W.Derby - 8b - 795

But could only find this possible Griffiths/Gilson marriage from 1905 to 1912
Marriages Jun 1909:
GILSON, Elizabeth and maybe GRIFFITHS, Frederick William - W. Derby - 8b - 837.
But she isn't Elizabeth A!

So did Elizabeth A Gibson marry Edward McGee at all, at all?

[Bertieone]

Hi DS,

The above Gilson married before 1911, and still can't find marriage for Elizabeth A Gilson 1911, 8b 547.
Would it be worth George taking a punt and naming Gilson and Mcgee, in the event of an error.

[Hilary]

Ancestry lists both Elizabeth A Gilson and Elizabeth A Gibson on the same page vol 8b page 547 there must have been some difficulty with the transcription or original entry

William Mee married Louie Davis
James Mawdsley married Elizabeth A Gibson/Gilson

This is confirmed on lancsbmd with both marriage being at St Polycarp Everton

Maybe Mr Mcgee and Elizabeth married when they arrived in the States.

[dickiesam]

Maybe Mr Mcgee and Elizabeth married when they arrived in the States.

I am thinking the same thing. It is possible it was cheaper or more 'acceptable' to travel on the Bohemian as a family using Edward's name?

[Hilary]

Some relatives of mine once asked me to find a marriage of a couple in England. They gave me the place and the year but no marriage existed. When the 1911 census came out I found that bridegroom was actually married and living with his wife. The "bride" was the servant in the house.

The bridegroom and his "bride" travelled on consecutively numbered tickets to the States and then to Canada. She was pregnant and the child was born on arrival. No marriage exists for them in either the USA or Canada! A surviving child of the couples was not told her parents were never married!!!

[george68]

Hi George

Not sure if you were meaning the streets were in Liverpool, but Windsor Street is listed.
I looked in my 1911 and 1914 directories, but 137 is not mentioned in either directory.
It was a long street and many around that number seem to be shops,
Haslington is a place near Crewe in England, quite some distance from Liverpool. I haven't any directories for that area unfortunately.

It didn't say what city only said Windsor Street. I am guessing it meant Liverpool.
Is Haslington in Lancashshire county?

[george68]

Hi George and welcome,
There isn't a marriage listed in the England and Wales Index for 1911.

Where and when did Elizabeth and Edward sail from and on what ship? There is the possibility of a ship-board marriage, or if they left from Scotland or Ireland they may have married there.

Name:
Edward McGee
Arrival Date:
10 Oct 1911
Age:
36
Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1875
Gender:Male
Ethnic Background:
Irish
Port of Departure:
Liverpool, England
Ship Name:Bohemian:
Port of Arrival Boston, Massachusetts
Last Residence:England
Birthplace:Dublin, Ireland

Yes that is correct. Sorry I forgot to put that in with my first post. They came over on the Boehemian

[george68]

McGee family on the Bohemian, departing Liverpool 30th September 1911.
Destination port: Boston, USA

Mr A MCGEE
Mrs MCGEE
Miss A MCGEE
Miss A MCGEE
Miss Ada MCGEE
Master C MCGEE
Master J MCGEE

Apart from Mr A and one Miss A, all the initials fit with the census a couple of months earlier.

Bert, that June qtr marriage in FreeBMD.....? One of the Elizabeths is a Gilson and is in the Index as such on Page 345. Elizabeth A Gibson is on Page 340. Which one did James Mawdsley marry?

In Lancashire marriages from Jun qtr to Sep qtr there isn't a candidate for Edward McGhee, McGee, Magee or McKee, etc.

That was something else I forgot to mention the names of the five children Elizabeth had from her first marriage were
Edith, Betsy Ann, Ada, Charles and John Gibson
She had three more children from her marriage to Edward. But they were all born over here in America.
There names were Mary E., Edward J. Jr., and Agnes R. McGee.
I tried looking for Edward J. McGee in the Lancashire marriage index but could not find him either.
Would the ship have kept records like that? And if they did would they still be around somewhere?
Edward McGee was born in Dublin,Ireland wouldn't there be some record of him entering into England?

[Bertieone]

HI George,

Info here,

http://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/ ... itain.html

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/reco ... abroad.htm

[dickiesam]

Edward McGee was born in Dublin,Ireland wouldn't there be some record of him entering into England?

George,
Ireland was at that time part of the UK and crossing the Irish Sea was the same as crossing the River Mersey from Lancashire to Cheshire. Incidentally, Crewe is in South east Cheshire.

According to the census Edward was a commercial traveller, aka company rep or agent, perhaps selling more than just brushes at the door. He would therefore probably travelled quite a bit staying at various addresses in his area.

I am of the opinion that Edward and Elizabeth did not marry in the UK. And because they went on board with the name McGee I doubt there was a ship-board marriage. How soon after arriving in the US was the first child born there?