HARRY THOMAS MITCHELL 1894 -?

[Wendyem]

Apologies for lengthy post, really hoping to find this Man.

Once again trying to learn more of 2nd Cousin - 1, HARRY THOMAS MITCHELL. b. 1894 West Derby, to William J.Mitchell & Ellen (nee Walker) William at that time manager of Medlock Hotel Kirkdale.
They married 1892 St.Mary's Kirkdale.
1901 - 1902 he managed the Fairfield Hotel, Rock Ferry, Birkenhead.
1911 has the family at 88 London rd with Harry age 17 a civil servant. mentioned here:
http://www.forum.liverpool-genealogy.or ... f=2&t=7746

One possible find for Harry was here-under(although I begin to suspect all relate to the Harry Thomas Mitchell b. Woolwich 1891 regardless of the marriage in 1920 to Miss Wood):

[Quote]THE London Gazette, 1 OCTOBER, 1912. 720^-September 21, 1912.
Friendly Societies Registry: Assistant1 Clerks-
(Abstractors),
**Harry Thomas Mitchell.**
http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/28649/pages/7207
And again in the London Gazette in 1912 as an Assistant Clerk (Abstractor) Friendly Societies Registry:
http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/28391/pages/4661
For Registration as temporary boy clerks. **Harry Thomas Mitchell, ** [end Quote]

With a kind helper I also followed a Harry Thomas Mitchell who married in Ashton-under-Lyn to Mary Thorpe,(Also mentioned in London Gazettes 1928.) along with probable children etc. I cannot now remember why I discounted him as same Harry,- a certificate? if so cannot find it. Something I learned of that particular Harry? maybe.

I can find only one HARRY THOMAS MITCHELL in births between 1890-1894 in Lancashire ( one in Woolwich 1891) I therefore found appealing a death reg. 1970 for man of same name in Blackpool. Birth date reg 1892. Out by 2yrs.

Problem there,
6328 THE London Gazette, 28 SEPTEMBER, 1928.p6334
Mary Thorpe of Ashton-Under-Lynne was said to be operating a confectioner & tobacconist business in Blackpool.
A Harry Thomas Mitchell also found as executor in several mentions of deceases estates.

Hoping very hard that some magic is working out there, & I can find my last Mitchell Man here.
Thanks for reading.

[jan44]

Hi Wendym,

There is a baptism St Peter's Liverpool Harry Thomas Mitchell born 28th April 1895 parents William and Ellen, father's occupation Barman

There is also a death reg

Name: Harry T Mitchell
Birth Date: abt 1895
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1965
Age at Death: 70
Registration district: Surrey South Eastern
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume: 5g
Page: 962

He leaves a will to wife Doris Vera.

Jan

[Wendyem]

Thank you Jan,
I haven't been able to find a marriage for said Harry Thomas & a Doris Vera.
conflicting birth/baptisms from Lancashire BMDS online & Familysearch :
From Lancashire BMDs
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1894
MITCHELL Harry T
Kirkdale-Liverpool
KIRK/90/97
parents William Mitchell, Ellen
.................................
Familysearch.
name Harry Thomas Mitchell,son of William Mitchell & Ellen
baptism/christening date 12 May 1895-St Peters, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
birth date 28 Apr 1895 birth place Rumney Rd
indexing project (batch) number C02260-8
system originEngland-EASy
source film number93907
.....................
Where did you view the will Jan?

I knew it wasn't going to be easy

[Hilary]

Birth Registration for the Harry Jan found

Harry T Mitchell Dec Q 1894 West Derby Reg District volume 8b page 359

Harry T Mitchell married Doris V Arnold Sept Q 1929 West Ham Essex.

Probably the only way to find if it's your Harry would be to send for the marriage certificate but don't put the reference numbers on the request just ask for Harry T Mitchell marrying a Doris V 1929 give or take a couple of years with a father William then if it's not yours they won't charge.

Probate Index is on Ancestry.

[Wendyem]

Thank you Hilary, found them this time, eyes a bit past it, needing time off. Also found possible progeny, 1932.

Will ponder before applying for cert.

drat! two more Harry Thomas you know who's in Surrey 1901 & 1902.

[simone]

Your Harry's birthdate is 28/4/1895, but the Blackpool death reg gives a birth date of 9/10/1892.. so reckon this one not yours.

[simone]

found this though

Harry James Mitchell
Birth Date: 28 Apr 1895
Date of Registration:
Oct-Nov-Dec 1979
Age at Death: 84
Registration district: Brighton
Inferred County: East Sussex
Volume: 18
Page: 0004

coincidence do you think? or did someone register him with wrong middle name

[simone]

could this be his birth reg


Harold Mitchell
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1895
Registration district: Toxeth Park
Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 199

[simone]

found this though

Harry James Mitchell
Birth Date: 28 Apr 1895
Date of Registration:
Oct-Nov-Dec 1979
Age at Death: 84
Registration district: Brighton
Inferred County: East Sussex
Volume: 18
Page: 0004

coincidence do you think? or did someone register him with wrong middle name

coincidence

birth
Harry James Mitchell
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1895
Registration district: Brighton
Sussex
Volume: 2b
Page: 238

[Hilary]

The Harry T Mitchell I found was registered in Dec Q 1894 in West Derby so can't be the one born in 1895 unless there's something funny going on.

[simone]

Yes some jiggery pokery somewhere Hilary... Ancestry has the baptism with the same dates as the ones Jan posted... the image is definitely 1895, as are all the other births baptisms on the page...

I can't see a Harold Mitchell that fits with on census etc with the birth reg I posted for Jun q 1895 Harold Mitchell

Simone x

[Wendyem]

Simone,
forgive my late reply, special Family arrived from o'seas & inter state.
Thankyou very much for your input. After seeing Ancestry's baptism page all is very cloudy having seen birth reg on FreeBMD for Dec. 1/4 1894.
Being a typed image 'who knows'? I did find another Harry Mitchell earlier with William & Ellen as parents, didn't note it so now don't know.

Am wondering if he did indeed join Military forces, or travel to Australia or Canada like so many others.

More delving & pondering, need a birth cert. I feel.
Thanks again,
Wendy

[Wendyem]

I have today sent for the reg'd birth cert. of Harry Thomas Mitchell as in FreeBMDs & Lancs online BMDs- 1894. West Derby 1894 Dec 1/4.

Won't tell me anything other than Parent's names but that would be nice having seen Parish Baptisms mentioned earlier.

Can't get past "no image" for his alleged bapt. at St.Peters. Were Parish records destroyed? I had seen his forebears also bapt'd at St. Peters on images,- earlier Family search records when I was able to get to their Libraries & book films. Also tried fmp which I find difficult anyway, no luck. Given up on that sub.

'twill be nice to be able to say, hey ho, this Laddie was born ........to.......

Online today I saw photos of Medlock Hotel which one site placed in Anfield,..did they merge? ( Kirkdale & Anfield)
St Mary's placed as in Asher St. Kirkdale. I did read that it was demolished later.
(Est 1836 - church closed in 1973, demolished in 1979 ) courtesy Parish Clerks.

It gets a tad lonely here in my time, do you lot all go to bed early?
It's about 9.00 am your time I think, but nearing my bedtime of 8.30pm.(7.35 now) ..don't ask, needed, up early. Enjoy your day everyone. New week, new news, new lives, new whatever you wish for.

ciao Wendyem

[MaryA]

The Medlock Hotel is apparently still there, according to googlemaps, although you need to check Rumney Road to see it as Medlock Street which ran from there, originally through to Westminster Road, has now been built on. It is definitely in Kirkdale, not Anfield.

https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Medloc ... 3,,0,-4.75

[simone]

Can't get past "no image" for his alleged bapt. at St.Peters. Were Parish records destroyed? I had seen his forebears also bapt'd at St. Peters on images,- earlier Family search records when I was able to get to their Libraries & book films. Also tried fmp which I find difficult anyway, no luck. Given up on that sub.

ciao Wendyem

Hi Wendy.. not sure what you mean 'no image', but here is the image from Ancestry



Simone x

[MaryA]

Perfect, Rumney Road would be the address for the Medlock Pub (where my dad used to tap dance while his brothers played their banjos).

[Wendyem]

Thank you Mary, I did see rather good photos of Medlock Hotel on various sites, one perhaps very early with lighter colour stonework,sited on a corner with reasonably modern cars parked in street. Perhaps because it's black & white. Nice one tho'.
http://www.kirkdaleonline.co.uk/full_list.htm
Now while looking for the above, found Medlock Hotel Rumney Rd- Walton!
(moves about a bit:)

Simone, thank you. I did see the Ancestry image but was hoping to see how Familysearch differed if at all (re possibly mixup of birth year)

Harry Thomas Mitchell, "England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975"
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baptism/christening date: 12 May 1895
all else as in your post, possibly he was christened in 1895 & birth written in error.
...............................
I begin to think he may have followed his Fathers rellies into the Navy or merchant Marines, or perhaps war years sorted things out for him. Never found anyone else looking for him, just a mention in some family trees from Aussies.

[Hilary]

I would doubt that the registration in 1894 is your Harry as it just doesn't tie in with the baptism register. The parents would have given the date of birth and I think the Vicar would know the difference between a 2 week old child and on of up to 6 months. However I'm happy to be wrong.

[Wendyem]

Sadly for me Hilary, your post makes so much sense. I went through all of these birth reg's when I first found Harry on 1901 census. Settled on W.Derby as I believed that to be where Kirkdale was.

Even now between 1894-1896 the births reg'd are in Bolton, Prestwich,Chorlton,Todmorden, Haslingden, Manchester. unless he's been left out.
So desparate am I that I looked through the 1894 image & picked names of reg's in London area to check for discrepancies in baptisms if any.. These came up which gives me hope for Harry Thomas.:

Lydia Ella Mitchell. b.Oct 1895. bapt.March 24 1895 ??
Louise Sophie Mitchell.bapt.15 Jan 1896 reg'd.1894
Ernest Lucas Mitchell. bapt.21 Oct 1894,reg'd 1d-517
Gertrude Florence Wethwall Mitchell. bap. 23 Nov 1895 reg'd 1894 1d-559
Joseph Herbert William Mitchell 23 Dec 1894 reg'n 1c-394. b.Jan 1894
Kathleen Eva Mary Mitchell bap.4 Jan 1895. reg'd 1894
Walter Arthur Mitchell.bap.27 Feb 1895.reg'd 1894.

I shall have to wait for a week or two to find out.
cheers anyway.
Wendy

[simone]

What about the reg I found in jun q 1895 for harold mitchell. I have seen before a child baptised with and subsequently using a more colloquial name than his 'formal' registration name also I haven't yet pinned down a harold mitchell on census that fits.