New to Liverpool & SWL

[russellci]

I have so many questions about Liverpool I don't know where to start.
My area of interest is:
MARKS family (shown as coming from Ireland in 1841 census)
who lived in Blundell, Sparling,Mansell Streets for many years.
In particular if anybody can help me find when John Marks (1755 (Ireland) - 1849 (Liverpool) and his wife Primelen/Primelia (died Liverpool 1851 born Ireland 1777) came to Liverpool and indeed when and where they got married I would be HUGELY grateful. I have hit a brick wall this last year.
Thanks

[dickiesam]

Hi russellci and welcome,
Could you post the census summary page reference for the 1841 census sighting of John and 'Primelia' Marks? And do you have her maiden name?

And is this her death?
Death: MARKS, Pamela
Registration district: Liverpool
Year of registration: 1851; Dec qtr
Volume no: 20; Page no: 411

Have to say it is extremely unlikely you will find a year when John came from Ireland. Because Ireland was part of the UK there were no 'border' checks or even passenger records. It was just as if he had crossed the Mersey to Liverpool from Birkenhead on the Royal Iris! If he had children born before 1841 that would roughly indicate where he was living at the time.

[dickiesam]

HO107 - 2181 - 515 - 55 at 17 Bailey Street, Liverpool.
In 1851 the widow 'Premelia' Marks is living with her son-in-law William McAlister. She is shown as being in receipt of 'Relief from Seamans Fund'. I believe this indicates her husband John was a mariner.

William's wife, Jane [nee Marks], was born abt 1819 in Liverpool.

[russellci]

Thank you - yes information in 1851 census correct. And yes, death registration as Pamela - Year of registration: 1851; Dec qtr
Volume no: 20; Page no: 411
No idea what her maiden name was. But I wish I did! Interestingly, in 1841 census she is listed as being 41!
So lovely to find you - thanks for all yoru help

[dickiesam]

I found Irish Family History Foundation http://www.rootsireland.ie/ gave some possible baptism hits for the children Jane, John and Mary Marks that would be worth checking out. I suspect, given the ages of the parents, John bn abt 1761] and Primelia [bn abt 1790], that there were more children than those in the 1841.

According to the 1841 census [HO107 - 566 - 14/39 - 33] John and Mary appear to be twins bn abt 1824 in Ireland and Jane was bn about 1819 in Ireland.

I got these hits but I had no credits left to get the records up...
John: 3 hits on 1824 +/- 2 years - 1 hit in each of the counties of Louth, Waterford and Wicklow.
Mary: 2 hits on 1824 +/- 2 years - both in Louth.
Jane: 2 hits on 1819 +/- 2 years - 1 in Dublin, the other in Limerick.

Given that the father John, bn Scotland about 1761, was a mariner note that all the counties are coastal counties with major ports. And all except Limerick are on the eastern seaboard fronting the Irish Sea.

The same site gives a marriage for a John Marks in 1811 in Limerick. But according to FamilySearch his bride was Margaret Cox.

[Blue70]

The 1841 Census says John Marks was born in Scotland but this possible baptism suggests he might have been born in Ireland:-

Ireland, Births and Baptisms

Name: John Marks
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 29 Apr 1754
Baptism Place: Dundalk, Louth, Ireland
Father's Name: John Marks

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FRQL-2Y7


Do you have John's burial record? Here is a transcript:-

Name: John Marks
Address: Court 5, Sparling Street
Age: 94
Burial Date: 20 Aug 1849
Burial Place: St. Michael's church, Liverpool


The daughter Jane Marks married William McAllister on 12 Oct 1835 at St. Thomas church in Liverpool. One census record for Jane looks promising with a possible place of birth. The 1881 Census gives a place of birth for her of Newry, Ireland. The family probably moved around with the father being a mariner.


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