The Murray Family of Liverpool

[Katie]

We've seen stranger things before haven't we Katie:roll: perhaps Thomas was having a bad day when he filled in the form

Certainly have. I have Grace Murray's death registration lets go round the block again. I'll see if shes buried in Anfield and also which section.

Deaths Mar 1908 (>99%)
MURRAY Grace 77 W.Derby 8b 322

[simone]

would Mrs Murray be more fully listed on electoral roll 1911 I wonder?

[Katie]

would Mrs Murray be more fully listed on electoral roll 1911 I wonder?

No Simone it just had the head so it will be Thomas Howarth/Howorth listed only. The reason why I think its Mary Jane is she Married in May 1910 the census for 1911 was April 1911 so she wont have reached her 1st year of marriage so maybe that is why it does not state how many years married?

[simone]

ahh good thinking

[simone]

wonder if this is Peter Murray's death

Deaths Jun 1914
Murray
Peter 74
Liverpool 8b155

[winstonevertongroovy]

WOW guys........it seems like my notifications of new replies has stopped for some reason so I haven't been on for a few days thinking that nothing had happened here, it seems I was wrong!! I have asked my cousin to join up so that she can see what is happening & something may jog her memory so hopefully that will happen in the next few days.

@Simone - I downloaded the forms regarding the WW1/2 records a while back but have not got round to sorting it yet, need to see who is actually next of kin 1st, I suspect my Auntie Kitty, I noticed you have mentioned a Grace Carruthers who appears to have died young, there also seemed to have been an Anthony Carruthers who disappeared very early on if I remember correctly.

@Bert - Yes Grandad Peter was on the Baltic ship in May 1919 according to the list I have compiled from the info sent to me.

@Kate - very interesting observation regarding the Scottish Presbyterian possibility, the one thing that sticks out very vividly in my mind and that of my cousins is the Orange Lodge connection with my Grandad's family, it was a very very big part of their life as far as we remember.

Once again guys I take my hat off to you all for the help you are giving me, I really hope I can pay you all back in the future as I really appreciate it. One thing I must do is go back through this thread & write all the info down although I have to admit,(again), that it is all overwhelming me somewhat
Lee

[simone]

@Simone - I downloaded the forms regarding the WW1/2 records a while back but have not got round to sorting it yet, need to see who is actually next of kin 1st, I suspect my Auntie Kitty, I noticed you have mentioned a Grace Carruthers who appears to have died young, there also seemed to have been an Anthony Carruthers who disappeared very early on if I remember correctly.

Lee

Grace Carruthers Murray was born July q 1905 and died Sep q 1905, daughter of George Murray from what I can remember.
Anthony Carruthers Murray b March q 1881, died Dec q 1882, he was the son of Peter and Grace and is on the census in 1881 with them

[dickiesam]

RE:

One thing I must do is go back through this thread & write all the info down although I have to admit,(again), that it is all overwhelming me somewhat

Lee,
If I recall correctly, one of the bits of advice given very early on in the thread was to write down every snippet of info as it appeared in a notebook or jotter.

When I started out on my searches into the past I kept a Tesco school jotter with a separate page allocated to each person and numbered each page consecutively. The first couple of pages were left free in order to create an index of names with their respective page numbers. I ended up with a separate jotter for each family name.

If you update the jotters as info comes in, you will avoid the dreaded 'information overload' that can occur. That's why you will receive advice such as 'don't pursue too many people at the same time'. Go after just one or two lines at most.
Good luck.

[winstonevertongroovy]

Thanks Dickie, I did take the advice & have a large notebook with pages allocated to different people but with the distraction of Christmas & work plus the rate that info is coming in at I'm afraid I've rather been left behind by you all

[Katie]

At Liverpool today looking for the burial for Grace Murray and whilst going through Everton C of E which is very badly damaged by damp I didn't find Grace there, thats not to say she isn't I was haveing to go by address for half the pages I came across the following

!8th March 1908
William Murray
11 months
48, Prince Edwin Lane
Public grave Section 7 Grave 233

I think this confirms that Peter and Grace are the correct ones.

If you think of all the addresses

37a Prince Edwin Street
48, Prince Edwin Street
48 Prince Edwin Lane on Marriage

Would like to have found Grace but the register was really bad.

[simone]

Nice find Katie you're a goodun having a look

[winstonevertongroovy]

Ok just finished gathering all the info together so will now have a good look.......will try to figure out my Grandad Peter's actual d.o.b. then order his birth cert., or have we already decided on a date

[Bertieone]

Lee,

I'd go for the 1883, West Derby, using Dickieshyster's, I mean DS's method of ordering and then both are covered.

[winstonevertongroovy]

2 things I've noticed going through the stats so far - it looks like there is a possibility that my Grandad was 27 when he got married and that my Nin was either 20 or 16, (as stated by my Aunt), depending on which d.o.b. is to be believed for her. The other thing is that my,(possible), Great Grandad Peter who was married to Grace could have been born in 1832/1840/1843 or 1847 depending on which census/marriage/death details you believe , I'll say this it's fun tracing your family history

[simone]

Lee,

I'd go for the 1883, West Derby, using Dickieshyster's, I mean DS's method of ordering and then both are covered.

Yes I agree Bert.. (although I think the June quarter one may be Peter son of John and Mary, born 22 March 1883, baptised at St Oswald 8/4/1883), but like you say best to cover both in case

Simone x

[winstonevertongroovy]

Lee,

I'd go for the 1883, West Derby, using Dickieshyster's, I mean DS's method of ordering and then both are covered.

Yes I agree Bert.. (although I think the June quarter one may be Peter son of John and Mary, born 22 March 1883, baptised at St Oswald 8/4/1883), but like you say best to cover both in case

Simone x

So either 24/6/83 or 28/6/83? sorry not sure what is meant by covering both?

[simone]

Sorry Lee

It looks very likely he was born in June 1883 from what we know.

There are 2 possible birth registrations in the indexes which would cover this, depending how quick they were at regsitering the child

Peter Murray
Jun quarter 1883
Vol 8b
Page 634

however they would have been very quick registering if this is the right one. I reckon this one is son of John and Mary

The other in September quarter 1883 seems more likely to me
West Derby
Vol: 8b
Page 291

You can fill in the info but say 'No' where it asks you if you have these birth reg details... you can then give them info you know, year of birth, father's name.. and they will search for you, I think a year either side (someone correct me if this has changed/ I am wrong)... that way less chance of wasting your money on a wrong certificate and having to start again.


btw birth reg in June q 1882 is Peter son of Peter, the shepherd and Ann. His birth/baptism May 1882.

Simone x

[simone]

Bert/DS

could you just confirm if they cover a year either side..... was just thinking, if they do they will prob find Peter son of Peter and Ann also and Lee doesn't want that one

Could order the Sep quarter one using reference but state father's name as Peter.. That way they should refund part of fee if incorrect

I haven't ordered any certs for agood while, not since they did away with reference checking which was a much easier method so could someone who has ordered recently confirm all this for Lee, Thanks

Simone x

[winstonevertongroovy]

Bert/DS

could you just confirm if they cover a year either side..... was just thinking, if they do they will prob find Peter son of Peter and Ann also and Lee doesn't want that one

Could order the Sep quarter one using reference but state father's name as Peter.. That way they should refund part of fee if incorrect

I haven't ordered any certs for agood while, not since they did away with reference checking which was a much easier method so could someone who has ordered recently confirm all this for Lee, Thanks

Simone x

that would be appreciated guys then I will order it today.
Lee

[Bertieone]

Hi all,

wait for DS to confirm, I think Simone is correct, year either side etc, mention of mothers maiden would be a must I would think. I've not ordered a birth cert for a while either.