Hugh Irving Williams

[Bertieone]

Those with sight of the names on the memorial, is it possible this might be H L Williams.

A Hugh Lewis Williams, 1911 census, RG14 P22319, was a Liverpool pilot, from 1871 through to 1901 he lived at, Saxon St, Crouch St, Oakfield Rd. Are these in the St Cyprian area?

Could he have been one of 16 lost to a mine, 1917.

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=uqj0 ... ne&f=false

Another straw clutching exercise.

[Katie]

It certainly looks like an I Bertie, but that is not to say the stonemason did not mistake a L for a I. We are hoping to get to see the original and I could look to see if I can locate a obit.

[Bertieone]

Thank you Katie.

[Katie]

Oakfield Road is in the Everton Area Bertie.

http://liverpool.streetmapof.co.uk/oakfield-road/

[alcavtay]

Bertie, I have sent you a pm with a link to the photos, apologies for the delay.

Amanda

[Bertieone]

Bertie, I have sent you a pm with a link to the photos, apologies for the delay.

Amanda

Thank You

[MaryA]

Wondered if the family had moved nearer to StC after Hugh married but they are still in Oakfield Road. Inconclusive.

[Katie]

No H.L Williams on the Alfred H Read.

[Bertieone]

Thanks Katie,
Back to the drawing board.

[dickiesam]

Coming late into this one... There are only 3 H I Williams listed in Lancashire in 1910+1...

WILLIAMS, Henry Isaac aged 38 > Chorlton, Lancashire
WILLIAMS, Herbert Isaac aged 1 > Toxteth Park
WILLIAMS, Hugh Iver aged 11 > West Derby

So was he from 'across the water' in Cheshire? Only 2 such named in the county...
WILLIAMS, Henry Ivor aged 29 > Wirral, Cheshire
WILLIAMS, Howell Idres aged 6 > Nantwich, Cheshire

Or did he move to Liverpool after the census?

And could this be him?
Death: WILLIAMS, Hugh I
Unit: King's Royal Rifle Corps
Rank: T. 2 Lt.
Year: 1918
Volume: O.16
Page: 304
Record source: GRO War Death Army Officers Indices (1914 to 1921)

Haven't found this one yet in the CWCG.

[Bertieone]

I think this is him, DS
http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead.aspx?cpage=1

WILLIAMS, H I Second Lieutenant 18/10/1918 King's Royal Rifle Corps United Kingdom III. G. 18. HIGHLAND CEMETERY, LE

I couldn't find a connection to St Cyprian.

[dickiesam]

Re:

WILLIAMS, Hugh Iver aged 11 > West Derby

This lad would have been old enough to die on the battlefield in WW1.

43 Halsbury Road Liverpool.
WILLIAMS, John Head 1859 Joiner - Bala, Merionethshire
WILLIAMS, Rachel Evelyn Wife 1860 - Llangitho, Cardiganshire
WILLIAMS, Hugh Iver Son 1900 - Liverpool
WILLIAMS, Rachel Evelyn Dtr 1901 - Liverpool

The lad's YoB is wrong! See...
Birth: WILLIAMS, Hugh Ivor
Registration district: West Derby
Year of registration: 1899; Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Volume no: 8B; Page no: 622

Halsbury Road is not that far from Edge Hill?

[Bertieone]

He could be this one, DS,


Name:
Hugh Ivor Williams
Birth Date:
18 Aug 1899
Date of Registration:
Dec 1973
Age at Death:
74
Registration District:
Liverpool
Inferred County:
Lancashire
Volume:
10d
Page:
786

[daggers]

DS
Halsbury Road was on the north side of Islington, not in St C's parish area, but as you say, not too far away.

D

[dickiesam]

He could be this one, DS,


Name:
Hugh Ivor Williams
Birth Date:
18 Aug 1899
Date of Registration:
Dec 1973
Age at Death:
74
Registration District:
Liverpool
Inferred County:
Lancashire
Volume:
10d
Page:
786

I think you are right Bert. He maybe the wrong man, but still we can cross him off the list. Still trying to track down this one for as connection....
Death: WILLIAMS, Hugh I
Unit: King's Royal Rifle Corps
Rank: T. 2 Lt.
Year: 1918
Volume: O.16
Page: 304
Record source: GRO War Death Army Officers Indices (1914 to 1921)

When was he gazetted? This is one of those occasions when the knowledge/expertise of Promenade would be most helpful.

[dickiesam]

Re:

WILLIAMS, H I Second Lieutenant 18/10/1918 King's Royal Rifle Corps United Kingdom III. G. 18. HIGHLAND CEMETERY, LE

From: http://www.inmemories.com/Cemeteries/highland.htm

2nd/Lt Hugh Irvin Williams 17/04/1899 - 18/10/1918
Always beloved by his family, first by his sister Jessie Hawken Williams and generation after generation, some were named Hugh after him. For his great niece Ann Thomas and the whole family.

There's a photo of the man and his gravestone. The transcription is defective in leaving off the g in Irving.

This appears to be his birth...
Birth: WILLIAMS, Hugh Irving
Registration district: Fylde, Lancashire
Year of registration: 1899; Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Volume no: 8E; Page no: 701

The family in 1901...
RG13 Piece: 3697 Folio: 62 Page: 38
Address: 50 High Street, South Manchester, Lancashire
HAWKEN, Jessie Head Widow 70 1831 - Scotland, Dumfries
HAWKEN, William I Son u/m 44 1857 Solicitor - Scotland Glasgow
HAWKEN, Charles T Son u/m 41 1860 Solicitor's Clerk - Manchester, Lancashire
HAWKEN, Jessie I Dtr u/m 35 1866 - Manchester, Lancashire
WILLIAMS, Jessie H G.dtr 5 1896 - Blackpool, Lancashire
WILLIAMS, Hugh I G.Son 1 1900 - Blackpool, Lancashire

Is this the Liverpool connection?
Jessie H Williams married Cecil M Stanley
Registration district: West Derby
Year of registration: 1919; Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Volume no: 8B; Page no: 359

[daggers]

Joe D may say otherwise but I have to say that the KRRC Williams is in my view the wrong man. The London Gazette shows 'Temp. 2nd Lieutenant H.I. Williams from the General List (R.F.C.) to be Temp 2nd Lieut in the King's Royal Rifle Corps from 23 Feb 1918'. Other sources show him as Hugh IRVING Williams, not IVOR***, so I think the chance of a Liverpool link is remote.
We need a new hole to dig in!

Daggers
***My original had a typo.

LATER
Please ignore my views here because of good evidence in other posts!

[MaryA]

Yeehaaaa I think you have got it - from LancsBMD
STANLEY Cecil M WILLIAMS Jessie H Edge Hill, St. Cyprian Liverpool

[MaryA]

St Cyprian, Edge Hill - 3 January 1919
Cecil Morton Stanley 26 Bachelor 2nd Lieutenant N.Z. Machine Gun Corps, Belton Park, Grantham
Father Arthur Stanley, Farmer
Jessie Hawken Williams 21 Spinster Assistant Principal Womens Royal Naval Service 199 Edge Lane
Father Hugh Barker Williams, Medical Practitioner
Married by Licence
Witnesses Hugh Barker Williams and William Irving Hawken

What do you think Daggers? there is both an Irving and Hawken link to that census DS found.

[Katie]

The Memorial was dedicated July 1921. I think we need to establish if the couple who married in 1919 made their home in the St Cyprian parish. Gores Directory will establish that. Just a shame there is no Parish Magazines that have survived