Liverpool & South West Lancashire FHS - Forum

Here is one possible, from Soldiers Died in the Great War, also on the Town Hall Roll of Honour:

Name: Samuel Gerrard
Birth Place: Edge Hill, Lancs
Death Date: 8 Sep 1914
Death Location: France & Flanders
Enlistment Location: Liverpool, Lancs
Rank: Private
Regiment: Irish Guards
Battalion: 1st Battalion
Number: 3522
Type of Casualty: Killed in action
Theatre of War: Western European Theatre

ADDED:
I cannot see another obvious local man. There is an S. Gerrard, 8856, King's Regiment, but his mother is shown as of Bolton.
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Ireland, Casualties of World War I, 1914-1918
about Samuel Gerrard
Name:
Samuel Gerrard 3522
Regiment:
Irish Guards, 1st Batt
Death Date:
8 Sep 1914
Death Place:
France
Birth Place:
Edge Hill, Lancashire

Son of Philip & Jane Gerrard,( Both Irish Born)

1901, RG13 P3489 F80 Page20
1911 RG14 Piece3051.

OK easier to leave this one as is, here is the link to the Merseyside Roll of Honour entry, that also says that his Uncle Samuel also fell. I am wondering if this uncle is the other entry.
http://www.merseysiderollofhonour.co.uk ... wgc=878722

Bertieone wrote: 1911 RG14 Piece3051.

Could you please check that reference?

MaryA wrote:

Bertieone wrote: 1911 RG14 Piece3051.

Could you please check that reference?

Mary,

Its correct, Samuel Gerrard, Irish Guards, Pirbright, Surrey.

There will be confusion if I continue on the other post so I am putting this here.

In 1901 at 94 Casterton Street, Edge Hill
Philip 33 and Jane 34 (both born Ireland) with children Archibald 14, Thomas 10, Samuel 7, Sidney 10 months (born Manchester) and Florence 2 all other children born Liverpool
RG13; Piece: 3489; Folio: 80; Page: 20

Also at 41 Milroy Street are Philip & Janes parents
Archibald Gerrard 62, an Army Pensioner and his wife Eliza 58, both born Ireland with their son Samuel 31, also an Army Pensioner, born Scotland, George 12 and James 3, both grandchildren born Liverpool.
RG13; Piece: 3490; Folio: 118; Page: 23

I confirmed in 1891 where Archibald, Eliza and various children and grandchildren were living in Clint Road, that their son Samuel who was then 21, was definitely born in Scotland. Now in both 1891 and 1901 censuses, this Samuel claims to be Married, but no wife in evidence.

Turning back to the list of Soldiers who died in the Great War there is an entry for
Name: Samuel Gerrard
Birth Place: Lanark
Death Date: 9 Oct 1914
Death Location: Home
Enlistment Location: Derby
Rank: Gunner
Regiment: Royal Horse Artillery and Royal Field Artillery
Number: 35963
Type of Casualty: Died
Theatre of War: Home
In view of the difference in numbr perhaps somebody else could give an opinion on whether this entry is accurate, see the entry below in Du Ruvigny's Roll of Honour

Thank you Bert, I was thinking he was still at home with parents and couldn't find him.

Mary,

Hope you can open this, also following page.

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/1637/ ... l2_pg_0133


Also,
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cg ... d=59536325&

Both of those opened for me Bert thank you and I believe that has linked the two heroes. It has disproved the entry for the 1911 census for the older Samuel as I have the wife incorrect so I will remove those details, but will keep the entry for the Soldiers who died in the Great War, although the two numbers are different the death date is the same, could he be one with two different numbers? well perhaps somebody else could give an opinion on whether that entry is accurate.

We need the Du Ruvigny's Roll of Honour in this post for completeness so I will type up the two entries and also the photograph.


GERRARD SAMUEL, Corpl., No. 83111, 42nd Battery, R.F.A., 2nd s. of the late Archibald Gerrard, late Corpl. 14th Buckingham Regt., who served 10 years with the Colours, and 22 years in the Reserve, by his wife, Elizabeth, dau of Phillip Stone; and uncle of Private Samuel Gerrard and Private Thomas Gerrard (q.v.); b. Glasgow, 3 Oct 1869; educ. St Mary's School, Edge Hill, Liverpool; enlisted in June, 1891; took part in the South African War 1899, including the Defence of Ladysmith, and actions at Elandslaagte (Queen's medal with two clasps); served 11 1/2 years with the Colours, being then discharged as medically unfit for further service, but re-enlisted in Aug. 1914, after the outbreak of war; went to Newcastle, and died there 9 Oct. following from pneumonia, contracted while on service; unm.

GERRARD SAMUEL, Private, No. 3522 1st Battn. Irish Guards, 4th s. of Philip Gerrard of 41, Milroy Street, Wavertree Road, Edge Hill, Liverpool, Sergt., Royal Defence Corps. by his wife Jane, dau of Stephen Stone, of Castlecomer; and nephew of Corpl. Samuel Gerrard, and brother to Private Thomas Gerrard (q.v.): b. Edge Hill, Liverpool, 10 May 1893; educ. St Mary's School there; enlisted 12 April, 1910; served three years with the Colours and joined the Reserve, during which time he was employed as a Storekeeper by the Mersey Docks and Harbour Board; was called up on mobilization 4 Aug. 1914: went to France about 12 Aug., and was killed in action at the Battle of the Marne 8 Sept. following. A comrade wrote: "One of our men received a bullet in the stomach and called out for a drink; regardless of the German rifle and shrapnel fire, your son took his water-bottle and held it to his comrade's lips. It was impossible for him to do so without exposing himself to a terrible fire; therefore he met his death as an Irish soldier should meet it, for he knew it was certain death to do what he did." His other brothers: Private Archibald Gerrard was called up from the Reserve on the outbreak of war and after being four times wounded, was discharged as medically unfit in 1916, and Drummer James Gerrard is in the Scots Guards, while his uncles Private Archibald Gerrard, King's Own (Royal Lancaster Regt.), served in France from Aug. 1914 to Oct. 1915, when he was wounded and lost the sight of his right eye and the use of his right arm, and Lieut. and Quartermaster James Gerrard, 15th Highland Light Infantry, is now (1918) on active service in France; unm.

Sorry that there is not a photograph for this hero.

It could be the 83111 number was the number he held when he finished his first stint with the army and he would then receive a new number 35963 on enlistment in 1914.