Hi Mark
As the resident military expert I wonder if you can point me in the right direction?
I'm trying to find out more about the military record of a private in the Royal Dublin Fusiliers. I have his discharge paper so I know his service number and when he enlisted. I've tried Ancestry but with no luck. I also tried a RDF site but had trouble accessing it.
The person in question was William Parker b 1895, enlisted 9th August 1914, discharged 1930. His number is 9357. I believe he may have been injured in the Dardanelles (very painful!) but not sure when.
Any hints would be gratefully accepted.
Barbara
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Mark Abbott
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Hello Barbara,
I am far from being an expert; but thanks anyway!
Have you tried this site?
http://armyservicenumbers.blogspot.com/
His medal index card is very interesting. It indicates that he served with the RDF as 9357 and went to the Balkan theatre on 19.5.1915. It also states he deserted on 6.101917 and that he also had service as M/371413 Joseph Moloney RASC.
He was entitled to a 1914-15 trio. There is certainly a story there! What do his discharge papers say?
I'll see if anything else can be found.
Regards
Mark
I am far from being an expert; but thanks anyway!
Have you tried this site?
http://armyservicenumbers.blogspot.com/
His medal index card is very interesting. It indicates that he served with the RDF as 9357 and went to the Balkan theatre on 19.5.1915. It also states he deserted on 6.101917 and that he also had service as M/371413 Joseph Moloney RASC.
He was entitled to a 1914-15 trio. There is certainly a story there! What do his discharge papers say?
I'll see if anything else can be found.
Regards
Mark
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Hi
As he was discharged after 1920 his army papers will not ye be in the public domain.
If you google Royal Dublin Fusiliers you will find quite a bit including the fact they were disbanded in 1922 so presumably your man moved to another regiment.
Post 1920 Army Records are in a central place (Glasgow) and they have a strict order of next of kin who can apply for them. I'm sure we've posted about this before but you'll find it by googling post 1920 arm yracords or something similar.
If by any chance you measn discharged 1920 his papers are probably one of the many @75% that didn't survive the bombing of the Second World War. Lastly Ancestry has only done the service records A - N so far.
Ed Officer
As he was discharged after 1920 his army papers will not ye be in the public domain.
If you google Royal Dublin Fusiliers you will find quite a bit including the fact they were disbanded in 1922 so presumably your man moved to another regiment.
Post 1920 Army Records are in a central place (Glasgow) and they have a strict order of next of kin who can apply for them. I'm sure we've posted about this before but you'll find it by googling post 1920 arm yracords or something similar.
If by any chance you measn discharged 1920 his papers are probably one of the many @75% that didn't survive the bombing of the Second World War. Lastly Ancestry has only done the service records A - N so far.
Ed Officer
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Barbara,
According to the website I mentioned before, your chap enlited between these dates:
9227 joined on 27th February 1905
9599 joined on 6th October 1906
Does that fit in with any details you have?
Mark
According to the website I mentioned before, your chap enlited between these dates:
9227 joined on 27th February 1905
9599 joined on 6th October 1906
Does that fit in with any details you have?
Mark
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I might have known there would be a story! My man is the father of a close friend and knowing him there's bound to be some skulldugery. I do know that William Parker was born Walter Parker and that he ran away to join the navy but his parents bought him out. He then ran off and enlisted in the army at which point I think his parents gave up. I'll relay any information and see if I can find out any more.
Thanks for all the help so far Ed Officer and Mark.
Barbara
Thanks for all the help so far Ed Officer and Mark.
Barbara
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Mark, thanks for the link to my Army Service Numbers blog.
Ed Officer, you're quite right that that number does not fit the pattern you're looking at. I've just posted (yesterday) army service number snapshots for regular enlistments in the RDF.
Army service numbering was a complex matter and it was quite usual for different number series to be used for different battalions. So with the RDF, the 1st and 2nd Battalions had one series, as did the 3rd (Reserve) Battalion, the 4th (Extra Reserve) Battalion, and the 5th (Extra Reserve) Battalion): four different number series for those five battalions.
The number you quote, 9357 belonged to the series in use by the 4th (Extra Reserve) Battalion. My data shows that 9341 enlisted on the 8th July 1914 and that 9402 enlisted on the 10th August 1914. So your man, as you rightly say, enlisted at some point between those two dates.
I've not yet got round to posting information on the 3rd , 4th, 5th etc battalions RDF but I can confirm that that number can only have been issued, in August 1914, to a man joining the 4th RDF.
Hope this helps, and I'll be happy to answer, to the best of my abilty, any other queries on army service numbering.
Regards
Paul Nixon
Ed Officer, you're quite right that that number does not fit the pattern you're looking at. I've just posted (yesterday) army service number snapshots for regular enlistments in the RDF.
Army service numbering was a complex matter and it was quite usual for different number series to be used for different battalions. So with the RDF, the 1st and 2nd Battalions had one series, as did the 3rd (Reserve) Battalion, the 4th (Extra Reserve) Battalion, and the 5th (Extra Reserve) Battalion): four different number series for those five battalions.
The number you quote, 9357 belonged to the series in use by the 4th (Extra Reserve) Battalion. My data shows that 9341 enlisted on the 8th July 1914 and that 9402 enlisted on the 10th August 1914. So your man, as you rightly say, enlisted at some point between those two dates.
I've not yet got round to posting information on the 3rd , 4th, 5th etc battalions RDF but I can confirm that that number can only have been issued, in August 1914, to a man joining the 4th RDF.
Hope this helps, and I'll be happy to answer, to the best of my abilty, any other queries on army service numbering.
Regards
Paul Nixon
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Paul Nixon