Liverpool & South West Lancashire FHS - Forum

I have the following record of a burial at Anfield in the Roman Catholic Section.

62914 R/C 14th-Nov-1921 Seferino Arrupe 26 Corporal-E Company, U.S.A Infantry 41, Hurst Street Liverpool Private 1 840

I am going to double check his entry while at Liverpool To-day as I can't find a death Registration for him here in England. And according to a entry I have located on a Website he was reported as being KIA in a Casualty Lists published 1918.

KILLED IN ACTION.
================

Oliver W. Holmes, Council Bluffs, Ia.
Clarence R. Kimberlin, Glennie, Mich.

CORPORALS

Seferino Arrupe, Liverpool, England.
Morris Dunn, Council Bluffs, Ia.
Fred Ebert, Columbus, O.
Albert Froelich, Milwaukee, Wis.

http://www.genealogybuff.com/misc/ww1/i ... lties5.htm

I think these lists are Casualty Lists published in the US. Like our lists.

Any one help

Probable Birth Reg,


Births Dec 1892

Arrupe Cephirino Liverpool 8b 80

Background 1901 census 16 Shaw's Alley (near Hurst Street)
Juana Arupe Head Wid 37 Washerwoman Own Account at home Spain (Spanish Subject)
Josephine daur 11 Liverpool
Sepherine son 8 Liverpool
RG13; Piece: 3414; Folio: 70; Page: 20

and ten years later at 37 Shaw's Alley
Juana Arrupe Head 49 Widow (5 children, 3 living, 2 deceased) Smallware shopkeeper Own Account Spain Resident
Felicia Merrutia daughter 25 married 6 years, (4,2,2) Liverpool
Josephine Maintegui daughter 21 married 1 year Shop Assistant Liverpool
Anthony Merrutia Grandchild 5 Liverpool
Gregory Merrutia Grandchild 2 U.S. of America Resident
RG14; Piece: 22204

Lost Seferino, perhaps he was out of the country.

U.S., World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about Seferino Arrupe

Name:
Seferino Arrupe
City:
Los Angeles
County:
Los Angeles
State:
California
Birthplace:
England
Birth Date:
6 Nov 1892
Race:
White
Draft Board:
3

Naturalisation records 1911/1912

I have sent an email to Liverpool Direct just to confirm I have the correct details. There is a Obituary reporting him as being Killed in Action in France in 1918. I will check to see if there is another obituary in 1921. He is not showing up on the American War Monuments. Curiouser and Curiouser.

I'm wondering whether this lad has been left in limbo, as far as being on memorials are concerned. All I have read on him concerning his death is followed by, Liverpool, England.
It doesn't appear he achieved Naturalisation, He arrived in New York aboard the Lusitania, 6/Jan/1907, his Naturalisation declaration of intention was 27/Nov/1912. Don't know the answer, would a non American citizen be included on their War Memorials?

On his draft papers, when asked if there was reason he shouldn't be drafted, the answer was yes because of Partial Disability, they sent him anyway.

Just an update on this Service man. I am awaiting a reply from the Liverpool Cemeteries Office regarding the burial in November 1921 of this man. I have also asked a friend of mine who lives near Anfield Cemetery to see if there is a headstone.

I am also in contact with a Steve Marconi from San Pedro, California, where Seferino resided.

I also have a picture of the Soldier and the information reads:-

Liverpool Echo 15th October 1918

Corporal Seferino Arrupe, aged 26, has been killed in action in France, while serving with the American Forces. He was educated at St. Peter's School, Seel Street. He is deeply mourned by his mother, sisters, brother-in-laws and nephews at 30, Hurst Street, A mass will be said at nine o'clock on Thursday.

His age in the article is 26 years and and according to the Burial entry in 1921 he was 26 years old.

Curiouser and Curiouser.

I will keep you updated on this little "Mystery"

Bertieone wrote:I'm wondering whether this lad has been left in limbo, as far as being on memorials are concerned. All I have read on him concerning his death is followed by, Liverpool, England.
It doesn't appear he achieved Naturalisation, He arrived in New York aboard the Lusitania, 6/Jan/1907, his Naturalisation declaration of intention was 27/Nov/1912. Don't know the answer, would a non American citizen be included on their War Memorials?

On his draft papers, when asked if there was reason he shouldn't be drafted, the answer was yes because of Partial Disability, they sent him anyway.

Thanks Bertie and MaryA.

I have a theory regarding this.

Now it was not unusual for Soldiers to be reported as being Killed in action, later to turn up as POW or they have done a disappearing act and got off. I have an example of one such soldier called Arthur Fagan who was with the Cheshire Regiment

15th-Sept-1917
Cheshire Regiment
Lance-Corpl
Arthur
26666
Fagan
Liverpool
18th August 1916
Cheshire Regiment
Private
Arthur
26666
Fagan
Liverpool
Killed

15th December 1916
Cheshire Regiment
Private
Arthur
26666
Fagan
Liverpool
Previously reported killed, now reported serving with unit.

Arthur's Service records are on Ancestry and they make a interesting read.

He was reported as being Killed in action twice.
Court Marshalled
Sentenced to death for Desertion.
Given a reprieve and jailed for so many months hard labour.
What a hero. I think he belongs to my Fagan side. So perhaps this could be the story with Seferino and his death could be registered under a assumed name.

I love these Mysteries.

I have just had confirmation that Seferino Arrupe was buried in Anfield Cemetery on 14th November 1921.

So he was not KIA in 1918. Do a bit more diggng on this soldier. Need to locate his Death registration now.

I think Corporal Seferino Arrupe may have been repatriated by the family or the US Government in 1921 back to Liverpool from France. I know that the majority of US Army Service men who were buried here in Liverpool were repatriated back to the USA or to American Cemeteries here in England.

A friend of mine found the grave and it mentions Seferino being fatally wounded in July 1918 at Aisne France, which would explain why his age is recorded as 26 in the Register He is going to give me copies of the pictures tomorrow. When I have all the facts I will then see about finding out why he is not commemorated as a American Soldier Killed WW1.

This is going to be a tough one.

I could also see about getting him on the Town Hall. Need his Army number.

Hi Kathy, I've had a quick google, probably repeating what you have already done but here are the few bits that caught my eye:

Have you tried emailing the California State Military Museum?
http://www.militarymuseum.org/
They have archives and an excel file on their site lists:
Seferino/Sefferino Arrupe/Arruppe
Corporal, San Pedro, 4th Division 39th Infantry E company. Died of Wounds 6/8/1918

He was included in the Roll of Honor for California, that's available online: https://archive.org/details/namesofofficerse00cali

You can add his name to a Roll of Honor in Washington National Cathedral online here: http://www.nationalcathedral.org/exec/c ... enroll.mas

There's also a listing for him here in the San Fransisco 1912 directory http://www.sfgenealogy.com/sanfrancisco ... 12_147.pdf

Which Roll of Honor database is he missing from? I'm not familiar with the USA arrangements for honoring their WW1 dead. I only know the ABMC and they don't even try to commemorate all servicemen, just those in their own cemeteries.

Amanda

Thanks Amanda for those links I will get a email of the the Military Museum to see if I can get any Service papers for him. I would have thought that like our CWGC the American Version would have a listing of where all their Service men are to be found.

I have a copy of the headstone and it confirms my suspicion that he was Repatriated back to his Family here in Liverpool.

SEFERINO ARRUPE
Q.E.P.D
(That Rest In Peace)
FALLECIO EN AISNE FRANCIA EL 7 DE AGOSTO 1918
(DIED IN AISNE FRANCE ON 7 AUGUST 1918)
A LA EDAD DE 26 ANOS
(AT THE AGE OF 26)
ENTERRADO AQUI 14 DE NOVIEMBRE 1921
(buried here November 14, 1921)

#LestWeForget

que en paz descanse RIP

Bertieone wrote:que en paz descanse RIP

that rest in peace rip

I have found a great Spanish Translator.

http://www.spanishcentral.com/translate ... anse%20rip

I have sent a couple of emails to 2 various USA Departments ragarding Seferino

One to the the following

http://www.abmc.gov/contact-us

These are the contact details for American Battle Monuments Commission. Equivalent to CWGC

And one to:-

In addition, the National Personnel Records Center-Military Personnel Records (NPRC-MPR) maintains all U.S. military records from World War I to present. They may be able to help you check if they have any records of him. You can find contact information through the following USA.gov.
http://1.usa.gov/17NJgQP

Always useful as Many soldiers recorded on our Memorials who we cannot locate may have gone to America and served with the US Army.

I have had one reply from the ABMC

This Commission's databases contain only the names of those U.S. War Dead who are interred at or memorialized on the Tablets of Missing at the overseas American military cemeteries. These databases do not contain the names of those War Dead whose remains were returned to U.S. or other country of origin for permanent interment.
Martha Sell.

Is it just me or does anybody else feel that their soldiers were not fully appreciated.

In the event of his parents full names being needed.


https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/2DT5-4QY