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Spurred on by Julie Walters in WDYTYA on Thursday I've been revisiting my Irish side - and not getting very far!
I have John Brown marrying Bridget Duffy in 1878 in Tyrone so I have both their fathers, Bryan Brown, Grazier and Peter Duffy, Farmer. I found Peter Duffy on the Griffiths evaluation and I think I also have Bryan who for some reason is recorded as 'Hugh' with Bryan in brackets.
The trouble is I can't get any further back with either family. I have found John and Bridget on the 1901 and the 1911 (Bridget's a widow by then). Any suggestions as to how to proceed backwards?
Another problem I have is finding any record of my Brown grandparents' marriage! James Brown, John's son was born in Tyrone in 1880 and moved to Barrow in Furness - he's recorded on the 1901 and the 1911. My grandmother was Bridget McCullagh also born Tyrone but unsure as to the date. I've searched every record I can think of but no luck. I'm just intrigued. The family story is that they eloped but I don't know how true that is.
Any help will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance
Barbara

Have you seen this marriage on Ancestry?

Name: James Brown
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1911
Registration district: Strabane
Volume: 2
Page Number: 339
FHL Film Number: 101262

Records on Page:

Name

James Brown
Brigid McCullagh


Blue

Blue, you're a star! I've been all over the place looking for them. It looks like the family story might be true. James must have come back to find her. The story was they eloped but she insisted on getting married before she'd get on the ferry....
My two aunts, their children who are in their 80s and 90s will be delighted with this bit of family history. Thanks once again, I think I'm going to order the certificate.
Barbara

Thanks to Blue I've now received my grandparents' marriage certificate which has delighted my two aunts and resolved an 'argument'. We now know for certain that they married in Ireland. Still no further forward ( or backward) with the earlier generations. Any help would be very gratefully received by me and Maggie and Josie - the aunties.
Barbara

Hi Barbara,
How old was Bridget when she married and what was her father's name and occupation? There are 46 hits for the name in 1901 and 43 in 1911. In the latter there are 8 who are aged between 18 and 28.

For the crew,

Births Jun 1912
Brown John McCullagh Barrow F. 8e 1388
Births Sep 1913
Brown James McCullagh Barrow in Furness 8e 1446
Births Jun 1915
Brown Bridget McCullagh Barrow F. 8e 1354
Births Mar 1917
Brown Jennie McCullagh Barrow F. 8e 1101
Births Jun 1919
Brown Joseph McCullagh Barrow F 8e 886
Births Dec 1923
BROWN Bernard McCullagh Barrow F. 8e 1069

dickiesam wrote:Hi Barbara,
How old was Bridget when she married and what was her father's name and occupation? There are 46 hits for the name in 1901 and 43 in 1911. In the latter there are 8 who are aged between 18 and 28.

Hopefully a Farmer?

Bertieone wrote:

dickiesam wrote:Hi Barbara,
How old was Bridget when she married and what was her father's name and occupation? There are 46 hits for the name in 1901 and 43 in 1911. In the latter there are 8 who are aged between 18 and 28.

Hopefully a Farmer?

I was rather hoping he would be an airline pilot. There weren't that many in Tyrone in 1911!

Bridget was 20 when she married and her father was John, a farmer. The nearest to an airline pilot is my uncle Jimmy who was in the air force during the war (and my Dad who spent the war as ground crew in Scarborough)
What I'm stuck with is getting any info further back. I know my Brown great grandparents were Bryan and Bridget nee Duffy and her father was Peter Duffy as I have their marriage certificate. I think my McCullagh g grandparents were Joseph and Jane possibly nee Hamilton but I can't find their marriage. They were all from the Plumbridge area of County Tyrone.
Any thoughts welcome
Thanks for the input so far.
Barbara

Hi Barbara,

I fancied this one, but, but, but,


Name:
Joseph McCullagh
Gender:
Male
Age:
48
Birth Year:
abt 1863
Relation to Head:
Head
Residence Date:
2 Apr 1911
Townland/Street:
Sawelabeg
District:
Mount Hamilton
County:
Tyrone
Name
Joseph McCullagh 48
Jane McCullagh 49
Bridget McCullagh 20
Mary McCullagh 18
James McCullagh 17
Jennie McCullagh 14
Maggie McCullagh 13
Alice McCullagh 11
Joseph McCullagh 8
John McCullagh 5


URL:
http://www.census.nationalarch...

This Bridget was living in the Plumbridge area in 1901 with a father called John who was a farmer but she is aged 18 years old:-

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/p ... h/1752938/


Blue

Re Bridget's marriage cert... what were the names of the witnesses? Any McCullaghs among them?

1901... http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/p ... n/1752354/
McCullagh Bridget 40 Head of Family - Co Tyrone Farmer [states she is married, not a widow]
McCullagh Bridget 10 Dtr - Co Tyrone Scholar
McCullagh Mary Ann 7 Dtr - Co Tyrone Scholar

Glenroan is listed as being in under Plumbridge, Co Tyrone.

dickiesam wrote:Re Bridget's marriage cert... what were the names of the witnesses? Any McCullaghs among them?

Also, is Father, John, a typo?

Are there addresses on the marriage record?


Blue

Thanks to all for the quick response!
Bert, I'm pretty sure that's the right family in 1911. Bridget's daughter, my aunty was born in Sawelabeg.
DS, the witnesses were Mimmie McCullagh and Paul O'Neil - the priest's name was also O'Neil, possibly a relative?
Bert, Bridget's father is Joseph on the certificate, James' father was John. Did I write it wrong - sorry!
Blue, the addresses on the certificate were Carrowertra for James and Sawelabeg for Bridget so I think that confirms that Bert found the right family.
Where to now?
Barbara

OK, Thanks, Barbara,

For the crew, 1901.

Name:
Joseph Mc Cullagh
Gender:
Male
Age:
33
Birth Year:
abt 1868
Relation to Head:
Head
Residence Date:
31 Mar 1901
Townland/Street:
Sawelabeg
District:
Mount Hamilton
County:
Tyrone
Joseph Mc Cullagh 33
Jane Mc Cullagh 34
Bridget Mc Cullagh 8
Jane Mc Cullagh 6
James Mc Cullagh 4
Maggie Mc Cullagh 2
Alice Mc Cullagh

Hi Barbara,

I suspect the witness is Minnie, possibly Bridget's sister, Mary.

No luck yet, marriage, Joseph and Jane.

I would take a punt and get Bridget's birth cert.

I would go for a birth year of 1891, perhaps, DS, can advise if an Irish birth cert can be ordered naming the father and the mother Jane, no maiden name. If no match, money returned.

Using the indexes on Roots Ireland the following Births or Baptisms appear to be on there for this family. They all appeared after entering the father's name as Joseph and mother's name as Jane Hamilton. No sign of the parents' marriage:-

1891 Bridget McCullagh, Joseph McCullagh, Jane Hamilton, Badoney Upper RC
1892 Mary Ann McCullagh, Joseph McCullagh, Jane Hamilton, Badoney Upper RC
1894 James McCullagh, Joseph McCullagh, Jane Hamilton, Badoney Upper RC
1896 Jane McCullagh, Joseph McCullagh, Jane Hamilton, Civil Registration
1898 Maggie McCullagh, Joseph McCullagh, Jane Hamilton, Civil Registration
1900 Alice McCullagh, Joseph McCullagh, Jane Hamilton, Civil Registration

http://www.rootsireland.ie/


Blue

There's someone called Mel1oo on Ancestry with a tree for this family. They have a photo of Jennie McCullagh's grave in Tyrone so may be descended from her. I thought this Jennie was Jane (as in "Ginnie") but this tree has Jane born 1896 and Jennie born 1898, died 1925. They have the mother as Jane Hamilton.


Blue