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opinion on Irish marriage

Posted: 28 Jun 2014 14:59
by LindaG
I have been looking for the marriage of Thomas Kelly c1817 and Ellen Darcy c1820 who married in Ireland about 1841. The only one I can find is Thomas Kelly marrying Ellen Daugherty in 1841, is it possible it could be this one? Their first two children where both born in Ireland, George 1843 and my Great grandmother Catherine 1845, unfortunately I cannot find either baptisms, so no idea where in Ireland, all census forms just say Ireland.
Any one have any thoughts on this marriage?

Re: opinion on Irish marriage

Posted: 28 Jun 2014 19:54
by dickiesam
Daugherty to Darcy seems a big error for someone to make. Although a strong Irish accent could become Darcy to an unaccustomed English ear, such as a registrar. I assume you got Darcy from a birth cert for one of the later children, perhaps Sarah born in Liverpool 1848?

For the crew...
1851: HO107 Piece 2192; Folio 731; Page 47
Address: Back Springfield Street, West Derby, Liverpool.
Thomas Kelly Head 34 1817 Ag Labourer - Ireland
Ellen Kelly Wife 33 1818 - Ireland
George Kelly Son 8 1843 Scholar - Ireland
Catherine Kelly Dtr 6 1845 Scholar - Ireland
Sarah Kelly Dtr 3 1848 - West Derby, Lancashire
John Rosin Visitor U/m 20 1831 Rope Maker - Ireland

Re: opinion on Irish marriage

Posted: 29 Jun 2014 05:53
by Bertieone
1861, Springfield St

RG9 P2736 F65 Page22
Thos Kelly 44
Ellen Kelly 40
George Kelly 17
Catherine Kelly 15
Sarah Kelly 12
Jas Kelly 9
Thos Kelly 4
Mary Kelly 21

Re: opinion on Irish marriage

Posted: 29 Jun 2014 06:00
by Bertieone
dickiesam wrote: I assume you got Darcy from a birth cert for one of the later children, perhaps Sarah born in
The name Darcy is also confirmed on the Catholic Baptisms for Sarah and James (Jas)
Unlikely to be a misunderstanding of the name twice.

Re: opinion on Irish marriage

Posted: 29 Jun 2014 12:11
by dickiesam
Bertieone wrote:1861, Springfield St

RG9 P2736 F65 Page22
Thos Kelly 44
Ellen Kelly 40
George Kelly 17
Catherine Kelly 15
Sarah Kelly 12
Jas Kelly 9
Thos Kelly 4
Mary Kelly 21
TVM Bert. Found it eventually, transcribed as Kilby and Kelly was very clear on Summary page. Interesting that the daughter Mary, bn 1840, is shown as born in England. But in 1871 she is only 9 years old! Transcription mistake by the enumerator? RG10 Piece 3850 Folio 56 Page 17

Re: opinion on Irish marriage

Posted: 29 Jun 2014 12:50
by Bertieone
Hi, DS,

Found a Baptism for Mary Kelly, birth, 30 May, 1859, Baptised, 5 June 1859.
St Oswald, parents Thomas & Ellen Darcy.

Led me to a tree, I don't know if this is Linda's.
With a note,

"Birth certificate has born 29 May 1859 at Springfield St. Father, Thomas, general labourer. Mother, Ellen, formerly Dorset. Baptism record has born 30 May 1859, Mary Kelly, daughter of Thomas and Ellen Kelly, nee Darcy. Baptised 05 Jun 1859"

I've not had sight of cert.

Re: opinion on Irish marriage

Posted: 29 Jun 2014 12:54
by Bertieone
To add,

Had sight of birth cert, note is correct.

Re: opinion on Irish marriage

Posted: 29 Jun 2014 13:52
by LindaG
Yes this is the right family and I did get the name Darcy from the baptisms, just struggling to find them in Ireland will keep looking though. Thanks for all your comments.
Linda