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George Lloyd Payne - death
Posted: 04 Apr 2012 17:55
by Barbara B
I'm looking for the death of George Lloyd Payne. I have been told he died on the Isle of Man in 1940 whilst serving with the RAF but I can't find any record. I'd also like to know whether his name would appear on a war memorial as he was in the forces when he died.
He was born in Hubberstone, Pembrokeshire in 1885 and joined up at the age of 14! His RAF service number is 346032.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance
Barbara
Re: George Lloyd Payne - death
Posted: 04 Apr 2012 21:44
by padjo1
Hi Barbara
Hilary put me into this site CWGC, Commonwealth War Graves Commision, ( Sorry don't know how you add the link) there is a Sergeant George LLoyd Payne, listed with the same service number, buried St Partricks Churchyard, Jurby, Isle of Man, death 22/05/1940
If you go on the record and you can search by Name, RAF, and Sevice number. It gives father a Charles Sampson Payne, Mother Annie, Husband of Phyllis Anne Payne, of Speke Liverpool
Grave Coll. 239, this maybe a war memorial??, maybe contacting CWGC maybe able to tell you
Hope this is of assistance, and thanks again to Hilary for putting me onto this site.
regards
Michelle
Re: George Lloyd Payne - death
Posted: 04 Apr 2012 21:56
by padjo1
Hi Barbara
This could be the link if I have attached correctly, fingers crossed or the site anyway
http://www.cwgc.org
regards
Michelle
Re: George Lloyd Payne - death
Posted: 04 Apr 2012 22:05
by MaryA
Well done Michelle, you learn something new every day as they say
Re: George Lloyd Payne - death
Posted: 04 Apr 2012 22:12
by padjo1
Thanks Mary
I use computers all day, now, self taught though, pens, pencils and paper when I went to school. I am really proud of myself, you are right, my new thing for the day.
Michelle
Re: George Lloyd Payne - death
Posted: 04 Apr 2012 23:14
by dickiesam
HI Barbara,
This will take you directly to the information page about Sgt Payne..
http://www.cwgc.org/search-for-war-dead ... GE%20LLOYD
About the cemetery:
Location Information
Jurby is a village on the north-west coast of the Island and is reached from Ramsey, a seaport on the north-east coast six miles distant. The church of St. Patrick is the parish church of Jurby, and the churchyard is the parish burial ground, the Authority in which it is vested being the Incumbent and Churchwardens. It lies in an isolated position on the sea-coast, some way from the village, and covers one-and-a-half acres.
Historical Information
Early in the 1939-1945 War the Royal Air Force built an aerodrome at Jurby, about a mile from the church for use as a training school. The airmen who lost their lives while training there were buried in the churchyard, and a small section in the north-eastern corner was reserved for these service burials. This group of war graves is on the far side of the new extension to the old churchyard. The total number of 1939-1945 War burials is 43, and all except three are within the group.
Re: George Lloyd Payne - death
Posted: 04 Apr 2012 23:34
by padjo1
Thanks DS
Much easier way for Barbara to go straight to the relevant record.
Michelle
Re: George Lloyd Payne - death
Posted: 04 Apr 2012 23:49
by Blue70
Burial Details
Name: PAYNE, George Lloyd
Age: 54
Parish: Jurby
Date: 25 May 1940
The Isle of Man is neither part of England nor in the UK they have their own registration of births, marriages and deaths so the ordering of a death certificate needs to go via the Manx government. It's a while since I ordered a Manx death certificate and it looks to have changed somewhat. I'm not aware of a way of accessing the index details for a death from 1940 but you can still order the death certificate without the index details. Have a look at this link:-
http://www.gov.im/registries/General/Ci ... family.xml
You may be able to obtain a free transcript of the inscription on the grave by contacting the volunteer listed for Jurby here:-
http://www.isleofman.com/heritage/genea ... ge/mi.aspx
This page includes a photo of the gravestone:-
http://twgpp.org/information.php?id=3150812
Blue
Re: George Lloyd Payne - death
Posted: 05 Apr 2012 11:57
by Barbara B
Thanks to padjo, DS and Blue for the prompt and helpful replies. I'll have a look at all the links and hopefully fill in the gaps on George. I did find his early service record on Anc*** and he seems to have been in South Africa at one point. Puts me in mind of the poem by Thomas Hardy about 'Drummer Hodge'. You'd wonder why anyone would let a boy of 14 join up let alone go to war. Times have certainly changed.
Once again thank you all for your help.
Barbara
Re: George Lloyd Payne - death
Posted: 05 Apr 2012 12:26
by dickiesam
More about the RAF and the IoM here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAF_Andreas
It is possible deaths at this RAF station were interred at Juby as well.
More about RAF Jurby here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAF_Jurby
Quite a bit about the airfield if you google 'RAF Jurby'
Re: George Lloyd Payne - death
Posted: 05 Apr 2012 16:21
by Barbara B
Thanks DS, I'll have a look
Barbara