Liverpool & South West Lancashire FHS - Forum

Hi Guys,

Not been able to do any real 'Family History' lately, pooter gone again. On daughters lap dog (this time have backed everything up). This lap top is not 'Genealogy friendly' and will not support my 'Family Tree Programme'.
Everything is from memory.

BarbaraB & her St. Bridget's query that brought this to the fore, something that has been niggling me for a while.

My G.father was Oscar Fairhurst born 1883-1926 L.pool. He married firstly Florence Travis 1906 L.pool. Florence sadly died 1913. He went on to marry my grandmother 1915.

Then I found c 1910-1912 there was a child born to Oscar & Florence.

Alfred Fairhurst born c 1907 L.pool

They lived:

2 Grinfield Buildings,
Mason Street,
L.pool

occupants: All born L.pool


Oscar Fairhurst
Florrie
Alfred (aged 4)
Gennie Travis sister in law aged 17 single

I cannot find a birth ref for 1907 L.pool, the nearest one is W/D June 1904 8b 608... this child I believe was Oscar's brothers' child (William Fairhurst & Christina Bingham)

I cannot find a possible death either for this young Alfred between the death of Florence and Oscar marrying my gran.. the crux of the matter is, my father never mentioned he had a brother, surely he would have known if he was brought up with him (I do know my dads siblings to my g.mother 2 sisters) I just wonder, was this little boy brought up by somebody else, family or otherwise???

Just can't get my head around, where did Alfred go? Or was he born with another Christian name?

Any help, thoughts appreciated.

Grayx

Hi Gray,

Who is Mary Fairhurst to these people?

Hi Gray,

The birth reg you found may well be the right one, (Don't quote me on that though), the reason being is, if the Mason Street I am thinking of is the one in Edge Hill, and the family were living in that area at the time of Alfred's birth, the registration district for Edge Hill would have come under West Derby. Just a thought.

Also, do you have a copy of Oscar's marriage cert?

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1906
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
FAIRHURST Oscar TRAVIS Florence West Derby, Register Office or Registrar Attended Liverpool REG_WD/231/112


Jan

There was a Charles Alfred Fairhurst born in June Qtr 1907 West Derby

Alfred Fairhurst born June Qtr 1904 West Derby


Alfred Fairhurst born June Qtr 1907 Prescot

Hi Jan,

I only have the marr cert(copy) to my gran.. not Florence.

The reason I think the Alfred born 1907 being the son of Oscar's brother William. I have this from c 1910/12


address: 24 Edge Mount, Paddington.

William Fairhurst 32(Oscar's brother) I have this family, completely.
Christina Ann 34
William 13
Thomas Baden 11
Christina 8
*ALFRED 6*
Doris Edith 6 months
Charles Stephen Bingham (BIL) 22 Marine Fitter

Prescot,

The only Mary I can think of at the moment was possibly my g.g mother, Mary Ann Fairhurst (Nee Davies) born c 1842 L.pool. Or possibly, Oscar's sister Mary Ann Fairhurst born 1866.
Without my family tree programme, I am struggling..





Gray

P.S If I am late replying to anyone apologies, daughter wants her machine...Apologies in advance.

Prescot,

Have looked at that Charles Alfred for quite some time now.
Probably should send for the cert to satisfy my mind..

Just keep thinking of a 'little boy' who just disappears.

Gray

So C1910/1912 there was no relationship given for this Alfred? He could well have just been visiting.

Now the prices have changed the GRO seem rather more amenable to doing a small search, so if you apply for the certificate you think it might be, or even the Charles Alfred one, stipulate the parents names so that they will only issue the certificate if it is correct.

Hi Mary,

Thanks for your interest & suggestion. I will follow it up.

Alfred is listed as 'son' to Oscar & Florence.

Someone has suggested that he may have been brought up by a Mary Fairhurst. Mary,(nee Dillon) being the wife of Alfred D'Israeli Fairhurst, another brother of Oscar. It is a possiblility, as far as I know they had no children of their own.

Oscar died when my dad was only 4, just cannot believe he had a brother and never mentioned him. The only conclusion I can come to is he was unaware. If this is the case then how sad! I want to find the 'truth'.

If this Charles Alfred turns out to be correct he went on to marry.

Once again, many thanks.

Gray


Edited:

Below is the marriage I am looking at 1934

Could this be the Charles Alfred I am looking at marrying under the name Alfred? Cannot see a birth for a Alfred C circa the year I am looking for.

FAIRHURST Alfred C FEE Alice West Derby, Register Office or Registrar Attended Liverpool REG_WD/509/249

This Alfred also married 1934, I believe this to be the son of William Fairhurst and Christina. (Oscar's brother)

FAIRHURST Alfred NEAL Catherine Liverpool, Register Office or Registrar Attended Liverpool REG_LP/433/120

He certainly could have dropped the name Charles if he didn't like it, many people change over the years like that.

It could be possible to work backwards from marriages to discount those births that you know wouldn't be right, and also identify the father, but the two you have found won't be easy to find, you could search every RC church records in Liverpool and still find that they married in the Register Office, but if you were able to get there when the archives are available, it could be possible to carry out the exercise since there are handbooks listing the churches of different denominations and the dates they were open.

You could also try to trace forward and find a living descendant who may know more from family legends.

Thanks again Mary,

Yes I see what you mean about being difficult.

For now I think I will go on the birth cert route, if Albert Charles is not the chap I am looking for then its back to the drawing board.

Will just keep chipping away at it. The odd person I have found related to my Fairhurst's don't seem to know anything about the family, neither did I until I started the research

Gray

Hi

I have just found your post in regard to Alfred Fairhurst. A lot of the names that you have are in my family tree also.

William Fairhurst snr is my nan's grandfather who was married to Christina Ann Bingham of 24 Edge Mount. They had five children, three sons and two daughters : uncle william jnr (who died ww1), Thomas Baden, Christina (nan's mother), Uncle Alfred Renee and Doris (who died aged three possibly due to pneumonia).

I have spoken to Nan and she mentions your Grand-father Oscar. As far as my nan remembers, Gt Uncle Oscar had married (not sure of wife's name) but they had a daughter called ****. At three years old, cousin *** became deaf and dumb at seeing her mum killed. Cousin *** went on to have two children. Cousin **** had a son called *** and a daughter named ****. Nan is not aware of another Alfred Fairhurst apart from Uncle Alf which is my nans' mothers' brother and her grandfathers brother Alfred disraeli. As far as Nan is aware, Oscar did go on to remarry.

We have just honoured my Gt Gt Grandfather William Fairhurst and Gt Gt uncle William Fairhurst (both certificates can be found on CWGC website) at the Town Hall in Liverpool. They are now on the Roll of Honour.

It would be nice to hear from you as it does seem we may be related.

Kind regards
Doe Neary

Hi Doe and welcome to the forum. It's great to make contact isn't it. I'm sure Gray will respond very soon.