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I am researching into the life of William Gould, Gardener at Lathom House, also his illegitimate daughter (Elizabeth) born to Jane Worthington.
The relationship of William Gould Tilsley also his sister Elizabeth, who married Baron de Micas ? when.
William Gould Tilsley was born 1800 and died 1868, leaving money to his nephew and neices.

Hi
1861 Wigan Rd Ormskirk
There's a Wm G Tilsley aged 60 ropemaker employing
19 men, 23 boys and 58 women
wife Sarah 49 & niece Fanny Dickenson aged 11yrs.
Marriage 1859 Ormskirk to Sarah Kelshall/Kelshaw
Lancs BMD have it at St Peter & St Paul, Ormskirk as
Kelshaw.

Death Ormskirk aged 68 yrs in 4th qtr 1868.

Do you have him in 1851 as Filsley married to Hannah?
Niece Elizabeth aged 16 yrs born Walton.
Death of Hannah in Ormskirk sep qtr 1858.


Tina

ps error submitted to Anc@@

Thank you for replying - I do have the information you sent. I am interested in tracing the children of William Gould Tilsleys sister, Elizabeth. They are listed in his will as Nephew, Jerome de Micas, Nieces, Mellan the wife of Baptiste Somprayrac Lucien Roca de Huyteza and Ellen Roca de Huyteza! jb

Do you know if these nephew and nieces were indeed living in England ? Were they born in England and did the marriage of Elizabeth to the Baron take place in England and what date please.

Hi Mary
I found in Google a Lucien Roca D'huytza, something to do with the French Consular possibly in Casablanca etc.
Not much help.
Tina

Dear Tina, How wonderful, you are the first person to find the above name. It was the last thing I expected to find, when I read William Gould Tilsley's will; a Baron in the family. Where and when the marriage took place, I do not know. When WGT died in 1868 his sister Elizabeth was alread deceased. Where do these people disappear to? Do you know any more about Lucien? Best wishes June Bibby. I am new to Genealogy on computers, so only hope I press the right buttons!!

Dear Mary, I do not know anything about the abov e, except that they were all mentioned in William Gould Tilsleys will! William Gould 1735-1812 lived and worked in Russia from 1776 but I do not know what relation William Gould Tilsley is to him; they are buried in the same grave! Best Wishes June Bibby

I'm wondering where there might be any record of burials/marriages/baptisms etc. but to be honest I have no idea where to start looking.

Do you know where "Lathom House" that you mention is?
Do you know what grave and what cemetery they are buried in?
Do you know where William Gould Tilsley was born in 1800?
Do you know where he died in 1868?
Is the William G Tilsley, as mentioned in the 1861 census (and uncle to Elizabeth in 1851) father to the William Tilsley who is cousin? to Elizabeth who married the Baron?

Hi Mary
His death is in 1868 aged 68 Ormskirk rego.
Lathom House?? Lathom was a hamlet of Ormskirk way back then.
I believe I've found Wm in 1841 census aged 40 ropemaker, Nelly 70 and Hannah 30.
FILSLEY
Moor St Court? Ormskirk 2 servants
HO107 pce 515 bk 9
Enum 5 folio 12

Tina

what a puzzle

Hi, All,
Lathom House is situated on Hall Lane, Lathom, nr.Ormskirk
It was the country estate of the Stanley Family, The Earls of Derby, During the English civil war it was the site of a very famous battle.When Lord Derbys wife Margaret, kept the Roundhead army at bay for about sixteen months,The Cavalier inhabitants only surrendered when they ran out of food,
Lady Margarets husband was captured, and beheaded, his body is interred at Ormskirk Parish Church vaults, it is said to be in two separate caskets..
The estate has its own Church and about a dozen Alms houses but the original house is long gone,
there is quite a lot literature in Libraries about the siege and the house and family.
regards John Stanley ( I don't think we are related but then who knows?????)

With a name like Stanley, no wonder you know quite a bit about it

www.lan-opc.org.uk

10 February 1859 St Peter and St Paul Ormskirk (parish church)
William Gould Tilsley full age ropemaker of Ormskirk married Sarah Kelshaw full age spinster of Liverpool
His father Thomas Tilsley deceased her father James Kelshaw deceased
Witnesses ? Williams and Margt Williams

On same site baptism at same church 15 August 1800 William Gould Tilsley son of Thomas and Betty Tilsley

Further investigation on the site may give you a marriage for Thomas and Betty and more information on William Gould.

Hilary
Ed Officer

William Gould the gardener left a will. You will be able to see it at Lancashire Record Office Preston. That may solve the connection.

Hilary
Ed Officer

The two previous replies were posted in response to June's message above

Dear Mary, I do not know anything about the above, except that they were all mentioned in William Gould Tilsleys will! William Gould 1735-1812 lived and worked in Russia from 1776 but I do not know what relation William Gould Tilsley is to him; they are buried in the same grave! Best Wishes June Bibby


I thought that my posts might help towards solving the relationship of William Gould Tilsley and William Gould.

Hilary
Ed Officer