Liverpool & South West Lancashire FHS - Forum

I now have a fly in the ointment so to speak. My great-grandfather apparently re-married 2 years after the death of his first wife. Charles James Goldring married Margaret M. WYLIE in 1913 in Bootle, St Leonard - Sefton Registers - I've found 2 Margaret M Wylies now - one born 1896 and the other 1886 and it's really strange both were born in Kirkdale, Liverpool. Not sure how I can work this one out unless I order both birth certificates? So far no luck finding her death either - any help/advice would be very welcome.

The marriage certificate will identify which of the Margarets is the correct one, as the information given on a cert is date and church, bride and groom's names, addresses, age and occupations, their father's names and occupations and a couple of witnesses who are often family members and also help with identification.

I'm assuming that you got the information from the LancsBMD site since you have the church, from that entry you can click a link to download and print off a partially completed Application Form for you to send off for the certificate.

It is also possible to order it online from www.gro.gov.uk using the reference Q4 1913 West Derby 8b 427.

Hi,
I doubt if Charles married the one born in 1896. She would have been all of 17 years old. I think it is more likely he married the older one born in 1886. If you had the marriage cert it would tell you Margaret's age and her father's name and occupation. You could then confirm which Margaret from the 1891 and 1901 censuses.

Marriages Dec 1913 > Goldring, Charles J TO Wylie, Margaret M - W.Derby - 8b - 427.
Order the cert from here: http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certi ... efault.asp

No need to take a chance and order the birth cert. See below...
1891:
WYLIE, George - Head - 26 - General Labourer - Scotland.
WYLIE, Emma - Wife - 25 - Gloucestershire.
WYLIE, Margaret M - Dtr - 5 - Scholar - Liverpool.
WYLIE, Grace P - Dtr - 0 (8M) - Liverpool.

Address: 2 Percy Grove, Marsh Street, Kirkdale, Liverpool
RG12 / Piece:2968 / Folio:51 / Page:5.


1901:
WYLIE, Hugh - Head - 43 - Cashier Office - Scotland.
WYLIE, Emily - Wife - 38 - Ireland.
WYLIE, Margaret - Dtr - 4 - Waterloo, Lancashire.
There are other children [and a servant] in this household.

Address: 464 Stanley Road, Bootle Cum Linacre, Lancashire.
RG13 / Piece:3463 / Folio:85 / Page:48.

Brian

Mary and Brian

Thank you SOOO much for your advice and assistance and for the time you have taken to respond to me - it's much appreciated. I'm going to concetrate my efforts on the one born in 1886 as recommended.

Thank you for being so kind.
best wishes
Lis.

Hi Lis,

Could this be Margaret's death reg?

Goldring
Name: Margaret M Goldring
Death Registration Month/Year: 1966
Age at death (estimated): 80
Registration district: Bootle (Lancs.)
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 10b
Page: 677

Jan

I found this in the 1938 Liverpool Directory

Margaret Goldring - Fried fish dealer 47 Brookhill Road Bootle.

Jan

looks as though 1886 is good. so this could be parents marriage

Marriages Jun 1885
NICHOLLS Emma W. Derby 8b 678
Wylie George W. Derby 8b 678

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1885
WYLIE George, to, NICHOLLS Emma, Kirkdale, St. Aidan Liverpool 2015WD/2/57

all registers for St. Aidens are at Liverpool record office as it was torn down about 1960 records go from 1856 to 1959

Jan/Susan,
Thank you so much for your input - it's amazing that in 24 hours I've learnt so much about somebody we knew nothing about - apparently and very sadly, this lady was very much disliked and, if the stories are true, she was the true "wicked step-mother". It's still good to know a little something about her as she's part of the family history. Thank you so much! Will now try to find out where she's buried.

Thank you!
Lis.

Good research everyone, but I just wanted to confirm what we said above about getting the marriage certificate. Without it you cannot be certain that you are following the correct family.