Liverpool & South West Lancashire FHS - Forum

Hi everyone,

I’m still trying to find either the birth certificate or baptism record for Christina BARRATT.

I have found a possible birth on Lancashire BMD and will order it but I thought I might post a message first to see if anyone has any thoughts on it.

According to Christina’s 1977 death certificate she was born on 27th December, 1894 in Liverpool. Her age on the 1901 census puts her year of birth at 1895 but the 1911 census agrees with the December 1894 date.

I know there is the possibility that there just isn’t a record to be found but I hate to give up! I also want to find where the family lived at the time of her birth. She had 5 brothers and sisters who all had a birth certificate, christening record or both so it seems strange she would be the only one of the 6 Barratt children not recorded.

The only births that I can find between 1892 & 1896 in all of England on Ancestry are:

Christina Barratt (June Qtr 1893) LIVERPOOL Volume: 8b Page: 7

Christina Barrett (Dec Qtr 1895) CHORLTON Volume: 8c Page: 797

The first Christina's certificate was ordered and was not her and someone else has identified the 2nd Christina’s parents and she has also been ruled out.

The Lancashire BMD details are:

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1895

BARRETT, Christina (Sub-District - Ardwick) (Register - Manchester) (Reference - ARD/281/67)

Living in Australia and not having local knowledge is hard but Google Maps has helped!! According to Google Ardwick is less than a mile from Brook Street, Manchester where Christina's parents lived in early 1901 at the time of census. Both Brook Street & Ardwick are only 5 miles away from where the family lived in 1899 (Bury St, Stockport) & late 1901 (Ann St, Stockport).

I am thinking that because her older siblings were born in Liverpool, and the family only moved away for a few years before returning to Liverpool where they lived until they died, the informant on her death certificate (her daughter) just assumed she was also born in Liverpool.

Does anyone have any thoughts (except for get a life and give up!!) If it seems like I’m heading in the right direction I will go ahead and order it and cross my fingers.

Thanks for taking the time…

The birth registration you have found on Lancashire BMD for Christina in 1895 is for the same person as the December Q 1895 birth regsitration you quote from Ancestry. Ardwick sub district was part of Chorlton Registration district.

May I ask does Christina have siblings and if so have you managed to obtain a birth certificate for one of those children?

Hilary
Ed Officer

Thanks Hilary and much appreciated. Liverpool & SW Lancs has saved me another £9 on a wasted certificate.

Christina had 5 siblings and I have all of their birth certificates, some of their Liverpool baptism certificates, marriages, deaths - the whole set... Just can't seem to find Christina.

I know it really shouldn't matter because I know the parents details but I have found in the past that each certificate has given me another bit of detail that I didn't know.

I'm also trying to help Christina's granddaughter find her grandmothers birth certificate.

Thanks again for your help.

I think this is a case where I would take the GRO up on what they say

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/fees.asp

Note in particular the paragraph "Where an entry cannot be located agreeing with the particulars supplied a full refund will be credited to the card details provided. "

I've also read that they will search a year either side of the date you provide and if it isn't found they will refund.

If you decide to go for it, give the parents names and see what happens.

i have 27 nov 1895 stockport cheshire father Robert mother Anne Ester any help?

Hi

Looking at the first two children of William & Maria..named John Bennet Daniels and William Coppell Daniels.. maybe there are clues as to William's mothers maiden name.. Bennet or Coppell..if you can rule out the names being from Maria's family then maybe they come from William's family.

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Thanks for your advice Mary.

I've gone ahead and ordered through the GRO today so I'll sit back and see what happens. They must have a backlog because the estimated date is much later than it used to be. If they find the certificate it will be posted to me in Australia while I am holidaying in the Liverpool area!!

Thanks also Susan - The parents of Christina were - Edward Barratt & Ann (Annie O'Connor)

HI

IGNORE MY DANIELS POST I HAVE PUT IT ON WRONG THREAD LOL


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