Liverpool & South West Lancashire FHS - Forum

Hi

I am researching my husbands family and have come across a stumbling block (unfortunately there is no one living that can help) except my husband and he does not have any information.

I am trying to find Albert J Rees and Daniel H Rees born 1920 and 1924 respctively to Thomas Frederick Rees b Jarrow 1892 died 1978 and Elizabeth Power born 1889 died 1967. If there is anyone out there that knows this family I would be delighted to hear from them. The other three siblings were William Bernard b 1929 died 1984, Cecelia b 1922 died 1940and Frederick R b 1925 d 2010

many thanks for your help

Hazel Rees

Hi Hazel

when you say you are trying to find these two men ..what are you trying to find out..as you seem to know all the birth dates and death dates.
Are you trying to find out what happened to Albert & Daniel as those are the two you dont have death dates for.

xx

Hazel Rees wrote:I am trying to find Albert J Rees and Daniel H Rees born 1920 and 1924 respctively to Thomas Frederick Rees b Jarrow 1892 died 1978 and Elizabeth Power born 1889 died 1967. If there is anyone out there that knows this family I would be delighted to hear from them.

You don't tell us whether you think Albert and Daniel were born in Jarrow. If so, and especially if they lived in that area, your enquiry might be better directed towards a local society such as Northumberland and Durham Family History Society

If you are looking for descendants of these people, we have tried to collect a few suggestions here
http://liverpool-genealogy.org.uk/phpBB ... php?t=8154

Hello Hazel,
To narrow the search somewhat, there are no deaths for Albert [bn Dec qtr 1920] or Daniel [bn Mar qtr 1924] between 1984 and 2005.

I have sent you a PM in case either are still living.

Dickiesam

Hi

thank you all for informative replies. Sorry Dickiesam to be thick but was is a PM???? It was their father who was born in Jarrow and then they moved to Barrow and then to Liverpool. Their father was a shipwright and I have explored (and visited Pembrokeshire where I believed the family originated back in 1867) but unfortunately I have been down so many wrong tracks looking for them. There are one or two avenues that I have been following to try and find either or both of Albert and Daniel (I know these names are correct due to family connections with the names being followed through as was Cecelia (who unfortunately died young). I searched freebmd and ancestry but there are several names that could match up but unfortunately on these it does not give the name of the fathers. I do have one odd occurrence that makes me wonder whether their father's name was in fact Thomas because when his father Thomas Frederick Rees died in 1911 born 1867 there is a note in the column saying that for "Thomas Frederick" read "Alfred otherwise Frederick" corrected by me on production of a statuory declaration made by Thomas Frederick Rees and Annie Rees.
If soneone could give me some suggestions where I could look I would be very grateful. Many many thanks for your patience

Hazel Rees

Hello Hazel,
See amended post below.

Dickiesam

Hello Hazel,

RE:

Sorry Dickiesam to be thick but was is a PM????

A PM is a Private Message. You can send a PM by clicking the envelope symbol under the other party's name at the bottom of a post 'window'. You will be notified of the arrival of a PM.

RE:

I do have one odd occurrence that makes me wonder whether their father's name was in fact Thomas because when his father Thomas Frederick Rees died in 1911 born 1867 there is a note in the column saying that for "Thomas Frederick" read "Alfred otherwise Frederick" corrected by me on production of a statuory declaration made by Thomas Frederick Rees and Annie Rees.

I assume that notation is on a death cert? Because it appears to have been added some time after registration of his death. Do you know who Annie Rees is? If she was a a daughter it might indicate that the late Thomas was known as Fred as well as Thomas, and the correction was for legal reasons. Possibly connected to a will or his 'estate', if he ever signed documents Fred Rees.

Dickiesam

Hi Hazel

Marriage 1920 Toxteth for Thos Fred & Elizabeth yes ???

Elizabeth's parents Frederick & Cecilia..Shopkeepers

brother for Elizabeth, Douglas Cuthbert Power married Annie Fearon 1920 Liverpool


Lots of kids.. maybe worth tracing them, they may know something

1938 Lpool Directory Thomas Rees Shipwright address 28 Chester St Toxteth.

I will go check my 1962 directory to see if either Albert or Daniel Rees are listed....

BRB

Ok only one Albert listed 26 Crawford Ave Lpool 18 NO Daniel's

Hello Hazel,
There were only 4 Albert J births in England and Wales in the time span 1920 to 1923 and only one of those was in Lancashire, your Albert. Have you checked out this death? Deaths Mar 1943: Rees, Albert J - 22 - Darwen - 8e - 460.

Going by the age, this Albert is in the right time span and was either in the Armed Forces, in a reserved occupation (doubtful at 22), or unfit for service. He isn't in the Commonwealth Graves Registry so the death was probably not a war casualty, civilian or Service.

Dickiesam

Hi

Annie was the wife of Thomas Frederick senior..in about 1911ish Thomas Frederick senior goes by the name Frederick so all that means is he proberbly was born Thomas Frederick Alfred Rees but just used Frederick.

I too looked at the Albert J who died in Darwin hes a possible.. but if hes anything like his Grandad he may just go by the J name and lose the Albert haaaaaaa

Hi all

I think you are correct in the death of Albert J Rees in Darwen (as there is a Barrow connection already and it is in that locality I believe) am sending for certificate which I hope will tell me more as he would still have been quite young.

On the Daniel H Rees - could some kind person tell me if Abercromby looks like Gt Beford St was an area where there would have been maybe Jewish people living. There is a name that has come up Bloomer B Finestone as a possible marriage partner and when I looked on the 1901 census it does say her father was a Wolfe Finestone and his father was Russian Saby (whatever that means) but the story goes Daniel's parents did not approve of the marriage - could this be a reason??? your thoughts would be greatly appreciated. I will of course send for the marriage cert any of you think this is a worthwile lead

Thanks again for all your help with this

Hazel Rees

The marriage you refer to does not give a "possible" spouse - it IS the spouse. Post 1912 the spouse name is given on the index so there is no need to work it out. However this marriage took place in 1957 - were people still disapproving of mixed marriages at that date? maybe so.

Much of Liverpool was inter-racial, on the 1901 census Wolfe's parents Jacob and Bloomah's birth place was given as "Russia - Russian Subject". They live next door to a family called Barnett and Betsy Clumpus, also from Russia. From the LancsBMD site
Jacob Finestone married Bloomer Clumpus in 1894 at Liverpool Old Hebrew Congregation

Hello Hazel,
RE:

his father was Russian Saby (whatever that means)

Might refer to the region/town where he was born? See:
http://www.collinsmaps.com/maps/Russian ... 65.00.aspx

Dickiesam

I do believe it is Russian Subject - it is clearer below in the entries for the Clumpus family

Hi Mary,
You have cracked it. It's not a 'y', it's a 'j'. I see the dot over the 'j' clearly on the scan. Well done!

Dickiesam