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I've finally knocked down my Jones wall and got back to Wales. I have a John Jones on the 1851 Census at Park Street, Toxteth Park who was born in Montgomeryshire, Wales (now in Powys) but I can't make out the other place name. It's been transcribed as "Magrove" a place that doesn't seem to exist. I thought it might have been an attempt at "Meifod" a place that is in the area. Any ideas?



Blue

Hi Blue,

Not much help am afraid.

have googled loads of combo's..

Here's how I read the letters:

N?gn then possibly coed on the end?

N?GNCOED


Gray

Blue70 wrote:I've finally knocked down my Jones wall and got back to Wales. I have a John Jones on the 1851 Census at Park Street, Toxteth Park who was born in Montgomeryshire, Wales (now in Powys) but I can't make out the other place name. It's been transcribed as "Magrove" a place that doesn't seem to exist. I thought it might have been an attempt at "Meifod" a place that is in the area. Any ideas?


Blue

Hi Blue,
Can you post the census page reference so we can see it in context? My other half is a Welsh speaker from the borders of Montgomery and Merionydd. Might know what the place-name is. Coed is wood or forest, that much I know.

Dickiesam

Seems to be John Jones b 1809

Ref HO107; Piece: 2188; Folio: 235; Page: 37

Could be Manafon or Meifod but not really sure

Yes that's our man. I think they've tried to transcribe it as Mayford (Meifod) although the "Y" looks like a "G" and it's a bit blotchy near the end of the word.

Blue

Hi,
My Welsh wife says the first letter probably isn't an N. The only village that would fit would be Noyadd in Cardiganshire. She suggests two in Momtgomery.. Moydog [perhaps written Moygod] and Meifod [pronounced
My-vod.... the single f being a v sound]. with a Mont accent it could have sounded like Mayvod to the untutored ear?

Any help?

Dickiesam

Hi ,
Have you had a look at Familysearch they now have Births marriages and Deaths for Wales, mind you a bit of patience may be needed for John Jones,had a quick look montgomery 90 pages to view thats only births,mind you,you may be able to cut the odds with a few more details
http://search.labs.familysearch.org/rec ... ollections
John

Thanks everyone I think Meifod is the best candidate. I've searched through lots of baptisms but haven't found a match for John Jones. John's wife Alice Jones is recorded on this census as being born in Montgomeryshire but is on the 1861 census as being born in Merionethshire.

The couple married in Liverpool in 1835 at St Nicholas church the details are on the Online Parish Clerks site. They probably wouldn't have known each other until they met in Liverpool. I've found a possible baptism for Alice Jones:-

18 January 1808
St Madryn's Parish Church
Trawsfynydd
Merionethshire, Wales
Alice Jones
Daughter of Robert Jones & Catherine


Blue

Hi

This John Jones and Alice Jones are my ggg parents.

I have never figured out his birthplace in Montgomeryshire, but I have traced some of his descendants. You are welcome to pm me for further information.

Hi jalp73

I've sent you a PM.

Blue

Hello ,
The word could be MAGLONA good luck

A little PS to my previous posting.
since learned that MAGLONA is the old roman word for motgomeryshire Didnt dare commit myself on this as i live here but i have checked it with a welsh speaker (my son!)

As Meifod is pronounced Myvod I think this must be the enumerator's attempt to spell what he heard.
Genuki has only a handful of place names beginning with M in Montgomeryshire and none of the others end in d which this one seems to.