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hi i am finding it very dificult to to trace my gg grandfathers family[ william cummins] all i no is that he was born in about 1850 i think in birkenhead was buried in flaybrick cemetary birkenhead he married sarah randals [denbigh] they had two children mary alice cummins [my grandmother]sibling john or jack cummins

William CUMMINS married Sarah RANDLES according to www.freebmd.org.uk in December Quarter 1883 Birkenhead Registration District volume 8a page 725

If you do not have this marriage certificate I strongly advise you to purchase the certificate. It will give you the father's names of the couple and help yu move backwards with your family tree. You can either order it from the GRO or if you go to www.cheshirebmd.org.uk you will find that the marriuage took place at Birkenhead St peter. From that site you can download the form and send it to the local register office and they will send you the copy certificate

Hilary
Ed Officer

1891 census 38 Vine Street Birkenhead
Sarah Cummins Head widow bn Denbigh
John son 6 bn Birkenhead
Alice daughter 4 bn Birkenhead
Eliz Emily daughter 1 bn Birkenhead
John Randles father widower 49 boiler maker bn Flintshire
James Nugent lodger 21 carter bn Birkenhead
Margaret Nugent lodger 16 bn Birkenhead

Hilary
Ed Officer

FreeBMD:
Deaths Mar 1891 - Cummins, William - 41 - Birkenhead - 8a - 354.

As Education Officer says, you definitely need his marriage certificate to find his father's name. There are very few candidates in the 1881 census in Cheshire but you need to start further back, say 1861, once you have that name.

Dickiesam

Hi everyone
Wm is a toughie, he married after 81 census & died before 91 census.
Marriage cert as you have said is the only way to go.
There's a Wm born Lpool in 3 census living in Coppenhall Monks Ches.
2 with parents, last one with his Mum.
Worth keeping to one side.

Tina

thanks every one i will get the marriage certificate.
i have found that he died january 1891 aged 44
cheers jimmy

Thanks Jimmy for reply

I hope all goes well with marriage certificate. Wm's occupation, father's name & the ever important witnesses.

You wrote he was 44 when he died, Dickiesam has his age as 41yrs.

Warmies
Tina

hi tina there is a inscription on his wifes grave saying he died in january 1891 aged 44 and was interned at flaybrick hill birkenhead ?
how true this is i dont no. i have asked my mum but she does not no much has her nan [sarah] died when she was 7 years old
cheers jimmy

Hi Jimmy,

You could contact Birkenhead Reference Library who may look up the burial register for you, for Flaybrick Hill Cem.

http://www.wirral-libraries.net/ourlibr ... ce-library

Jan

Hi Jimmy,
Wouldn't be too concerned about the different ages between the GRO index record I found and the age on the gravestone. Back then there could be a couple of years in the difference. Often the only 'proof' of age was a marriage certificate, and even that wasn't 100% reliable.

Dickiesam

Hi every one im picking up marriage certificte up later to day . i also visited birkenhead libray and found out the section tht william was buried
it was c of e sec 7 grave 390 i then visited flaybrick but could not find it . how do i go about finding exact location thanking you all in anticipation Jimmy

There is a map of Flaybrick with the sections marked
http://www.gavinrymill.com/flaybrick/fl ... y-map.html

thanks every one for your help . the marrriage cert gives the father of william as james cummins ocupation smith , i have looked at the 1851 census living in harding st liverpool william was aged 2 years but in the 1841 census ther is also a william aged 1 could this mean they had a child who died and then gave the same name to my gg grandad thanks again every one jimmy