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Kilner Newman A.Black born 1907 Bootle.

Can some kind person find him and his family in a directory?

Glenys

Hello Glenys,
Have you found Kilner Newman A. Black in the 1911 census?

Dickiesam

Dickiesam,

No, as at present I don't have subscription to the 1911 site!!!

Hi Glenys,
You don't need a subscription for the 1911 Census site here: http://www.1911census.co.uk/
You can buy 60 credits for £6.95 and that would allow you to download two complete census pages including this one:
HOUSEHOLD - BLACK, KILNER NEWMAN - 1908 - 3 - West Derby, Lancashire.
You will have his entire family at that point in time, together with snippets like how long the parents have been married and how many children were born in total and how many survived.

Dickiesam

Are you aware that there are two Kilner Newman Blacks? the one you mention born 1908 and another born 1899.

At around 1910/1912 the one you are interested in is living in a household with Robert Alfred 44, Charlotte Elizabeth 44, Gertrude Augusta 19, Robert Alfred 16, Georgina Frances 9, Charlotte Mary 6 and Philip Ernest 8months.

Seems well worth a twopennorth.

These two have to be related and in the absence of a death the one born in 1898 is probably in the 1911 census, as well as the one Mary A has pointed out.
Births Dec 1898 - Black, Kilner Newman - W. Derby - 8b - 326.
Births Sep 1907 - Black, Kilner Newman A - W. Derby - 8b - 331.

The fathers of the above, Kilner and Robert Black, were born in Ireland.
Two 1911 census pages would definitely be "well worth a twopennorth".

Dickiesam

MaryA and Dickiesam,

My thanks to you both, and to a p.m. from Gray.

Glenys

Hi Glenys
1938 Gores/Kellys
Kilner Newman Black ship's steward
10 Wylva Rd Lpl 4
On the doorstep of LFC's ground!!

Tina

Hi Tina,

Thanks for that; was it the Kilner Newman A. Black or the other one without the A?

If it was the younger (with the A) does it show him married?

Ta

Glenys

That information was from a Gores directory so it won't give that sort of information.

It may be that the only way you will get the information you are looking for is by ordering the marriage certificate. Because of the birthdates involved I hope I'm safe in giving the information for a marriage for

Kilner N A Black to Eleanor M L Harris Q3 1937 Bootle 8b 674

Thanks Mary,

I always get help on this site.

Glenys

Hi All,

I have now splurged on a six month discounted subs for 1911, and have found the two Black families.

Tina found 1938 directory for the family of the elder Kilner Newman Black b.c. 1899, living Wylva Road, but I would still like to find the other family in a directory after 1911.

Robert Alfred Black, poss still clerk in timber yard,
Or perhaps if he had died by then, his son, also Robert Alfred Black.
In 1911 they were living 88 Bank Road, Bootle.

Hopefully,

Glenys

Hi Big G from Little T

1938 Gores/Kellys
Robt. Alfrd. Black timber foreman
276 Knowsley Rd Bootle.

Hi Glenys
Just for your interest:

Kilner Newman A Black born 14/6/1907
died Dec 1989 South Sefton aged 82yrs.

Tina

Added later
Guess wot? In Anc## they say Kilner Newman Black the one bn in 12th Nov 1898 got his Aviators Certificate from the Royal Aero Club.
He was a 2nd Lieut in the 10th London Regiment.
I've saved the document but there's also a PHOTO of him!! wowee..
I've saved that too.
Now I'll play around & see if I can post them here.
There's also incoming shipping info.
It looks like he died in Newton Abbott Devon in 1988 aged 89yrs.
Anc# have a record of his death notice in the Times, spouse Joan.
She is mentioned in the shipping records, some have him as "Norman"
he lived in the Far East in lots of places.

Lots of good information there Tina, good on yer girl.

No worries mate

Tina

Would that you could wave your fairy wand and bring forth Sarah Ellen with as much ease ! Brilliant work ! Well done !
Alan

You're a beaut Tina m'dear,

Just got home after spending several hours stripping wallpaper in my son's apartment...............I'm bushed !!

Thanks for all that info, and what a coincidence that the family were living 276 Knowsley Rd., in 1938, as my family and I used to live 288, but at a later date !!!!!!

A son of Robert Alfred Black was Kilner Newman Black born 1903, he married Eleanor Harris in 1937, and I wonder if you are able to find him in 1938 directory. Poss living Bootle /Waterloo/Crosby area - they had a child born 1944 in Crosby.

I owe you a large V & T or whatever your usual is

Glenys

Big G
Stripping

little T

Campari & Soda please