Liverpool & South West Lancashire FHS - Forum

A bit of a shot in the dark but does anyone have an Elizabeth Bolderston in their tree. I am looking for the birth and parents of an Elizabeth Bolderston/Bolderson born circa 1811 in Liverpool. In 1833 she married a John Miller. I have found the marriage on both the Lancs OPC site and the LDS site.
I am trying to trace my maternal line back but Elizabeth is proving to be a brickwall
Thanks in advance,
Emeltee

Good luck Emeltee
1841 census, you already have this for Eliz/John & kiddies?
1841 ages were rounded off.
There are some Bolderson's in same census.
Not sure if related to Eliz.
Maybe George?
IGI have a baptism in 1808 at St Nicks and brother George 1804.


Tina

Many many thanks for that gem. I honestly don't know how I managed to miss that birth in the IGI. Maybe it was because I was typing in Bolderston and not Bolderson. As well as brother George there is a son Richard born 1814 and Richard and Elizabeth are on the 1841 Census. I'm now off to investigate further. My one problem with births pre 1837 is how can you be really sure they are yours?
Emeltee

From another site so we don't double up.
Tina

Her name was Elizabeth Bolderston or possibly Bolderson.
According to the Censuses (1841/51) she was born Liverpool around 1811. She married John Miller, a Coach Builder/Trimmer in Liverpool Parish Church (St Nicholas) in 1833.I have found the marriage on both the Lancs OPC site and the LDS site. I think I have found John Miller's birth as well but I cannot find the birth of Elizabeth.
I am trying to trace my mother's maternal line back as far as I can, after all you can be sure who the mother is even if you never find the father, if you see what I mean , but I have ground to a halt with Elizabeth.
If anyone can find any info on Elizabeth I'd be soooo grateful. It doesn't help that Liverpool RO is closing for so long, not that I really have much time to visit
. Any help would be very much appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
Emeltee

Hi Em

This is a tough one for starters we have 3 Richard Bolderson marriages in Liverpool..

Richard Bolderson to Catherine Yurzely 1762 St Peters.

Children

Richard 1772 St Peters Burial 1780 St John Old Hay Market
Catherine 1776 St Peters
Jane 1781 St Peters Burial 1782 St John Old Hay Market
Thomas 1784 St Peters Burial 1785 St John Old Hay Market
John 1786 St Peter

LANCS opc has St Peters Baptisms Starting at 1772 to 1848 so i think we are missing a few children here as Richard & Catherine married in 1762..

2nd Richard Bolderson marriage to Elizabeth William 1797

Cannot see any kids for this marriage

BUT there are children born to Richard Bolderson & Elizabeth McGuire,

what i am thinking is could this first Richard who married Catherine be the same man who goes on to marry Elizabeth William, her being a widower formaly McGuire.

Children they have

Thomas 1800
William 1802
George 1804
Elizabeth 1808
Richard 1814

The Richards have the same occupation a Smith or Blacksmith...the prob i have is if its the same Richard.. lets say for arguments sake he was 18 when he married Catherine..in 1762 by 1797 he would be 53, and last child born Richard in 1814 would make him 70, its not impossible Elizabeth we know from the 1841 was born in 1771, so when last child Richard was born she would be aged 43.

BUT there is another baptism for a Mary Ann born 1824 father Richard a Blacksmith mother Elizabeth NOW he would be 80 and i dont think that could be haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

So what i am thinking is the first Richard may have had another son named Richard that we cannot see the baptism for OR could Richard who marries Elizabeth be the son of William Bolderson also a Blacksmith in Liverpool and proberbly the brother of Richard..

Richard & Elizabeth do call their second son William

Sorry if its confusing but there is sense in there somewhere..both Richards are living in the same area of Liverpool too..


xx

Hi Colette,

Thanks for your thoughts. I had found the Richard/Catherine Yurzely (it turns out it should be Yearsley but I don't think the Vicar understood the Cheshire accent) marriage and thought I'd cracked it when I found Richard's birth in 1772, only to have my hopes dashed with his death in 1880.

I am very tempted by this family based on the fact that Elizabeth Mcguire/Bolderson appears on the 1841 Census with son Richard who is a Journeyman Smith. I have loads of examples in my tree where three or four generations of fathers and sons follow the same occupation.
My thoughts are that there was another son born to Richard and Catherine after son Richard dies in 1780 who doesn't appear on any of the web sites and whom they called Richard.

So far I have found the following children for Richard and Catherine
Molly 1763; Ann 1765; Alice 1767; Ann 1768; William 1770; Richard 1772; Catherine 1776; Jane 1781; Thomas 1784 and John 1786. I've also had the thought that Thomas born 1784 was christened Thomas but called Richard after his dead brother. Ghoulish I know, but I have come across that before.

You mentioned the children of Richard and Elizabeth McGuire. I think there also some children missing there as well as I have found a Mary Ann christened 1824, the daughter of Richard Bolderson and Elizabeth.

I do find it much more difficult to confirm things without the Censuses to add detail and confirm which child belongs to which parents etc. Let me know what you think.

Emeltee

Hi

Oh at least you have the other missing kids of Richard & Catherine, knew there had to be more .. and yes i agree with you one of them may have used the name Richard..I helped someone a while ago and we just couldnt find a son with a certain name but knew we had the right family.. after all that searching we found a will of the so called father of this man and he named the name we were looking for.. but we have never found his baptism.

Could just be the mother was too ill after the birth or the weather was too cold etc and they never got round to it..who knows..

Looks like your mob were all Blacksmiths names too keep repeating dont they ..


xx

Hi Colette,

I am definitely leaning towards Richard and Catherine and Richard and Elizabeth being the right families. I think I will run with them and see what I can dig up. Then they'll go into my 'Possibles' file until I can find definitive proof that they are correct. Snag is, the 'Possibles' file is getting awfully full!

Emeltee