Hi everyone
I found your forum through the magic of Google and have been impressed with how friendly and helpful you all are.
I've been researching my family tree for a few months now and have come up against a tricky branch which I thought someone may be able to help me on.
I am trying to gather information about my great, great Grandmother and Grandfather.
My great, great grandmother was Rebecca Edwards. She was born in Dublin in 1846 and moved with her family to Liverpool.
She gave birth to my great grandfather, Thomas Nicholls (2) in 1871. According to his 1894 marriage certificate, his father (by then deceased) was also called Thomas Nicholls (1) and was a shipwright.
Rebecca Edwards died in Liverpool in 1913 and is buried in Lowerhouse Cemetery, West Derby (section 3, No. 1442).
My nan Agnes (now deceased) had been researching her family tree and left us some notes, which included the following:
Rebecca Edwards was married twice and her maiden name was Gunning.
After Thomas Nicholls' (2) death, my great grandmother sent off for his birth certificate and was sent a certificate for Thomas Nicholson.
It looks possible that Rebecca fathered a child by a Nicholson, married a Nicholls, and then an Edwards, but I'm having trouble corroborating any of this. I'm finding it particularly difficult to pin down who Rebecca Gunning was married to, and when she was married.
I have found some information that ties in with what my nan said - the 1881 census has a 9-year-old Thomas Nicholson living with a Catherine Gunning (his grandmother), so this would corroborate the name-change theory, but I'm not sure what happened to Thomas Nicholls (2) between then and when he turns up on the 1911 census, living in Circus Street with my nan.
Any help, or nudges in the right direction would be gratefully appreciated.
Hello everyone - looking for Gunning/Nicholls
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Gray
Hi there and welcome to the forum.
I have been looking for your family for some time this afternoon, have not come up with any marriages yet for Rebecca.
Not sure if this is your family? or if it is you have this info. Did not want you to think we weren't looking
Taken from the 1851 census:
address: 2 court Roper street Toxteth Park L.pool
Robert Gunning 40 Gardener born Ireland
Catherine 38 born Rochester Kent
Richard 16 born Ireland
Edward 14 born Ireland
Maria 12 born Ireland
Thomas 8 born at sea
REBECCA 6 born Ireland
Robert 4 born L.pool
Same family 1861:
address: 5 back of Whisfield? street Toxteth Park L.pool
Robert 50 agriculturist and horticulturist
Cath 48 born Sandgate Kent
Maria (now married)
Henry Dennettt 23 optician born L.pool
Thomas 18 boiler makers app.
REBECCA 16 says born L.pool
Robert 14 sys born Dublin.
Possibly mixed place of birth up for Rebecca & Robert.
Hope this is your family
Gray
I have been looking for your family for some time this afternoon, have not come up with any marriages yet for Rebecca.
Not sure if this is your family? or if it is you have this info. Did not want you to think we weren't looking
Taken from the 1851 census:
address: 2 court Roper street Toxteth Park L.pool
Robert Gunning 40 Gardener born Ireland
Catherine 38 born Rochester Kent
Richard 16 born Ireland
Edward 14 born Ireland
Maria 12 born Ireland
Thomas 8 born at sea
REBECCA 6 born Ireland
Robert 4 born L.pool
Same family 1861:
address: 5 back of Whisfield? street Toxteth Park L.pool
Robert 50 agriculturist and horticulturist
Cath 48 born Sandgate Kent
Maria (now married)
Henry Dennettt 23 optician born L.pool
Thomas 18 boiler makers app.
REBECCA 16 says born L.pool
Robert 14 sys born Dublin.
Possibly mixed place of birth up for Rebecca & Robert.
Hope this is your family
Gray
Re: Hello everyone - looking for Gunning/Nicholls
Hi and welcome to the forum.
We will try to help out with filling in any census entries or finding marriages where possible, meantime I would ask that you fill in a couple of points for us.
Is there anybody in the family who remembers what her husband "Edwards" first name was?
Would you think it possible that Agnes, when researching her ancestors, checked the first available census with a searchable index - ie the 1881 census, that you yourself have found, and discovered young Thomas "Nicholson" and that is where the name has come from rather than the birth certificate?
Who did Thomas marry? can you give the details from his marriage certificate, especially his occupation and address for both he and his bride, witnesses names too.
We will try to help out with filling in any census entries or finding marriages where possible, meantime I would ask that you fill in a couple of points for us.
Is there anybody in the family who remembers what her husband "Edwards" first name was?
Do you actually have a copy of this certificate or have you seen it? I would find it very odd if the GRO sent a certificate in a different name to the one requested, they would usually return the request if they couldn't provide what was asked for. The details from this particular certificate are very important, ie it should give his mother's maiden name and confirm that it was Gunning, also it should state his father's name and occupation.stevegoodall wrote: After Thomas Nicholls' (2) death, my great grandmother sent off for his birth certificate and was sent a certificate for Thomas Nicholson.[/i]
Would you think it possible that Agnes, when researching her ancestors, checked the first available census with a searchable index - ie the 1881 census, that you yourself have found, and discovered young Thomas "Nicholson" and that is where the name has come from rather than the birth certificate?
Who did Thomas marry? can you give the details from his marriage certificate, especially his occupation and address for both he and his bride, witnesses names too.
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If the family above is correct www.lan-opc.co.uk show the marriage of Maria GUNNING to Henry DENNETT on 7 August 1860 at St Patrick RC Toxteth Park. She is of Back Whitfield Street father Robert. They also have the marriage of a sister Margaret GUNNING.
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stevegoodall
HI everyone
Thanks for taking the time to look into this. I'll try and answer your questions as best I can.
Gray - The details from the 1851 and 1861 census seem to tie-in, except for the place of birth. The 1881 census puts Catherine Gunning's place of birth as Ireland, which would tie-in with her husband and the birth of her children.
The Kent birthplace could have been an error I guess, but if not, how likely would it have been for someone to travel all the way from Kent to Ireland at that time?
MaryA - My nan was very good at keeping records - I have all manner of documents relating to members of the family. Unfortunately, the birth certificate that she mentions is nowhere to be found.
I think it unlikely that she would have consulted the 1881 census. She died in 2002 at the age of 98. The notes (see below) mention that her mother wrote off to the Records office just after her father died.
I don't know who Thomas Nicholson (Nicholls) was married to. The only fact I do know about him is that he had died by 1894 when his son Thomas Nicholls married Margaret Sarah Worthington. His occupation was stated as Shipwright. He's been pretty hard to track down.
I've scanned in most of the documents, here are the relevant ones to this search. Hopefully, they may help.
Larger version:
http://o.mfcreative.com/f1/file10/objec ... 54b6-0.jpg
I guess if we could work out who the Edwards was that Rebecca Gunning married, we may be able to find out what she was called before marrying him? If she's buried with him, that may be a starting point, but it's a bit of a trek for me (I live in Essex).
It's a real tough one to crack, but very intriguing nonetheless. One other interesting fact is that apparently, Margaret Sarah Worthington was supposed to have been related to the Worthington brewing family. That search is going to stay on the back-burner though until I can get to the bottom of this one.
Once again, thanks everyone for taking the time to look into this for me.
Thanks for taking the time to look into this. I'll try and answer your questions as best I can.
Gray - The details from the 1851 and 1861 census seem to tie-in, except for the place of birth. The 1881 census puts Catherine Gunning's place of birth as Ireland, which would tie-in with her husband and the birth of her children.
The Kent birthplace could have been an error I guess, but if not, how likely would it have been for someone to travel all the way from Kent to Ireland at that time?
MaryA - My nan was very good at keeping records - I have all manner of documents relating to members of the family. Unfortunately, the birth certificate that she mentions is nowhere to be found.
I think it unlikely that she would have consulted the 1881 census. She died in 2002 at the age of 98. The notes (see below) mention that her mother wrote off to the Records office just after her father died.
I don't know who Thomas Nicholson (Nicholls) was married to. The only fact I do know about him is that he had died by 1894 when his son Thomas Nicholls married Margaret Sarah Worthington. His occupation was stated as Shipwright. He's been pretty hard to track down.
I've scanned in most of the documents, here are the relevant ones to this search. Hopefully, they may help.
Larger version:
http://o.mfcreative.com/f1/file10/objec ... 54b6-0.jpg
I guess if we could work out who the Edwards was that Rebecca Gunning married, we may be able to find out what she was called before marrying him? If she's buried with him, that may be a starting point, but it's a bit of a trek for me (I live in Essex).
It's a real tough one to crack, but very intriguing nonetheless. One other interesting fact is that apparently, Margaret Sarah Worthington was supposed to have been related to the Worthington brewing family. That search is going to stay on the back-burner though until I can get to the bottom of this one.
Once again, thanks everyone for taking the time to look into this for me.
GUNNING, Rebecca
Apparently Rebecca was still single in April at the time of the 1871 Census:
GUNNING, Robert - Head - 58 - 1813 - Ireland, Co Down.
GUNNING, Catherine - Wife - 58 - 1813 - Ireland, Co Meath [?].
GUNNING, Robert - Son - 28 - 1843 - Ireland, Meath [?].
GUNNING, Rebecca - Dtr - 26 - 1845 - Ireland, Dublin.
GUNNING, Robert - Son - 24 - 1847 - Ireland, Dublin.
BEATTIE, David - Boarder - 34 - 1837 - Ireland, Belfast.
RG10 - Piece: 3800 - Folio: 54 - Page: 34.
Address: 55 Goring Street, Toxteth Park, Liverpool.
Interesting!
Births Jun 1871: GUNNING, Thomas Nicholson - W. Derby - 8b - 216.
I would surmise from the entry that the father was a Nicholson. He and Rebecca were not married.
And from the 1881.. Had Thomas Nicholson Gunning been 'farmed out' to his g.mother?
GUNNING, Thomas - Head - Single - 32 - 1849 - Founder Driller (Iron) - Ireland.
GUNNING, Catherine - Mother - Widow - 62 - 1819 - Dependant - Ireland.
NICHOLSON, Thomas - Nephew - Single - 9 - 1872 - Scholar - Lpool.
RG11 - Piece: 3628 - Folio: 87 - Page: 18.
Address: 26 Hilbre St, Liverpool.
Haven't found a Rebecca Gunning marriage 1871 to 1900.
But did find why her mother Catherine isn't in the 1891:
Deaths Jun 1885: GUNNING , Catherine - 68 - Liverpool - 8b - 116. OR..
Deaths Sep 1886: Gunning, Catherine - 71 - Toxteth Park - 8b - 169.
Just a comment on a query from Steve re travel from Kent to Ireland.... Ireland in the early to mid 1800s was still a country mainly divided into large estates owned by absentee English landlords. There was plenty of work for gardeners etc, and many families would have brought servants from England to occupy 'essential' positions in preference to untrained Irish to whom, in the main, English was a poor second language and thanks to the restrictions imposed on the education of Catholics, many could neither read nor write.
Dickiesam
GUNNING, Robert - Head - 58 - 1813 - Ireland, Co Down.
GUNNING, Catherine - Wife - 58 - 1813 - Ireland, Co Meath [?].
GUNNING, Robert - Son - 28 - 1843 - Ireland, Meath [?].
GUNNING, Rebecca - Dtr - 26 - 1845 - Ireland, Dublin.
GUNNING, Robert - Son - 24 - 1847 - Ireland, Dublin.
BEATTIE, David - Boarder - 34 - 1837 - Ireland, Belfast.
RG10 - Piece: 3800 - Folio: 54 - Page: 34.
Address: 55 Goring Street, Toxteth Park, Liverpool.
Interesting!
Births Jun 1871: GUNNING, Thomas Nicholson - W. Derby - 8b - 216.
I would surmise from the entry that the father was a Nicholson. He and Rebecca were not married.
And from the 1881.. Had Thomas Nicholson Gunning been 'farmed out' to his g.mother?
GUNNING, Thomas - Head - Single - 32 - 1849 - Founder Driller (Iron) - Ireland.
GUNNING, Catherine - Mother - Widow - 62 - 1819 - Dependant - Ireland.
NICHOLSON, Thomas - Nephew - Single - 9 - 1872 - Scholar - Lpool.
RG11 - Piece: 3628 - Folio: 87 - Page: 18.
Address: 26 Hilbre St, Liverpool.
Haven't found a Rebecca Gunning marriage 1871 to 1900.
But did find why her mother Catherine isn't in the 1891:
Deaths Jun 1885: GUNNING , Catherine - 68 - Liverpool - 8b - 116. OR..
Deaths Sep 1886: Gunning, Catherine - 71 - Toxteth Park - 8b - 169.
Just a comment on a query from Steve re travel from Kent to Ireland.... Ireland in the early to mid 1800s was still a country mainly divided into large estates owned by absentee English landlords. There was plenty of work for gardeners etc, and many families would have brought servants from England to occupy 'essential' positions in preference to untrained Irish to whom, in the main, English was a poor second language and thanks to the restrictions imposed on the education of Catholics, many could neither read nor write.
Dickiesam
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If indeed the birth certificate states Thomas's name to be Nicholson then the confirmation you need is that the maiden name Rebecca Gunning is on that certificate and exactly what she claims to be her married name, so you really need to know what it says. It may be that Rebecca may not have been married to "Mr Nicholson" or "Mr Nicholls" although his name may have been put on the birth certificate if he was the father. From the notes written I don't get the feeling that she was married twice to a Nicholls and a Nicholson (or vice versa) but merely that the family used the other spelling.
From the index and assuming the birth would have taken place between 1871 and 1873 to be the latest he may have been born, also assuming that the birth was in Liverpool and registered there, there are the following entries in the GRO indexes.
Thomas Nicholson Q1 1871 Liverpool 8b 5
Thomas Atherton Nicholson Q2 1872 West Derby 8b 291
Thomas Nicholson Q1 1873 West Derby 8b 432
Added after I'd seen Dickiesam's great entry above - that looks far more certain to be the entry.
I believe that in this instance you will find the Liverpool Register Office more helpful than the GRO - note NOT the Record Office who do NOT hold birth records - please see guidance notes here http://liverpool-genealogy.org.uk/phpBB ... php?t=6937
If you were to contact the Register Office with the quarters and years of these three entries and ask for the one which matches Rebecca Gunning as a maiden name, I hope they will be helpful enough to check them for you.
Telephone Allerton Cemetery Lodge where the records are kept for the Liverpool Cemeteries contact details including email
Work backwards from the date of Rebecca's death and find all "Mr Edwards" who married a Rebecca and see if any of those names appear to have been married previously - not an easy job but one we have tried in the past with some success. It is possible that on the www.lancashirebmd.org.uk site the entry will be in twice, once in each of her names if they are both listed on the marriage certificate.
A lot of ifs come next - IF you get a logical or gut feeling about any of the marriages and IF there is a church listed where it took place. IF any of our forum members are attending the Record Office and IF they have time to space from there own research, then they might check the entry to see if the father's name matches Gunning.
From the index and assuming the birth would have taken place between 1871 and 1873 to be the latest he may have been born, also assuming that the birth was in Liverpool and registered there, there are the following entries in the GRO indexes.
Thomas Nicholson Q1 1871 Liverpool 8b 5
Thomas Atherton Nicholson Q2 1872 West Derby 8b 291
Thomas Nicholson Q1 1873 West Derby 8b 432
Added after I'd seen Dickiesam's great entry above - that looks far more certain to be the entry.
I believe that in this instance you will find the Liverpool Register Office more helpful than the GRO - note NOT the Record Office who do NOT hold birth records - please see guidance notes here http://liverpool-genealogy.org.uk/phpBB ... php?t=6937
If you were to contact the Register Office with the quarters and years of these three entries and ask for the one which matches Rebecca Gunning as a maiden name, I hope they will be helpful enough to check them for you.
Many of us find it difficult to get to the Record Office, even if we live close. There are a couple of things you could try -I guess if we could work out who the Edwards was that Rebecca Gunning married, we may be able to find out what she was called before marrying him? If she's buried with him, that may be a starting point, but it's a bit of a trek for me (I live in Essex).
Telephone Allerton Cemetery Lodge where the records are kept for the Liverpool Cemeteries contact details including email
Work backwards from the date of Rebecca's death and find all "Mr Edwards" who married a Rebecca and see if any of those names appear to have been married previously - not an easy job but one we have tried in the past with some success. It is possible that on the www.lancashirebmd.org.uk site the entry will be in twice, once in each of her names if they are both listed on the marriage certificate.
A lot of ifs come next - IF you get a logical or gut feeling about any of the marriages and IF there is a church listed where it took place. IF any of our forum members are attending the Record Office and IF they have time to space from there own research, then they might check the entry to see if the father's name matches Gunning.
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I would also suggest you get Rebecca's death certificate as it MAY say widow or wife of ___________ Edwards. That would then help you via directories and possibly electoral rolls to find Rebecca and her husband.
I would also suggest you find Rebecca on the 1911 census which would show if she was a widow by then and again gives and address to look for.
Looking at what Dickie Sam as found it appears likely that Rebecca was not married when she had her son but knew who the father was and gave that as part of his name (Nicholson) then at a later stage he decided to just call himself Nicholls.
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I would also suggest you find Rebecca on the 1911 census which would show if she was a widow by then and again gives and address to look for.
Looking at what Dickie Sam as found it appears likely that Rebecca was not married when she had her son but knew who the father was and gave that as part of his name (Nicholson) then at a later stage he decided to just call himself Nicholls.
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Nichols
Hi
1911-12ish there is a Rebecca Edwards born Dublin 1846 at 49 Romily St Kensington Liverpool she was a Lodger..
Whos the Mr Rimmer who payed for the burial ?????? i can see an initial but can't work out what it is ..
Where is Rebecca in 1881, 1891 & 1901..and who is this Ann Cunningham Thomas is living with in 1881 and her son James was the witness at his marriage too so he was very close to this family..
The only Rebecca Edwards on the census was married to a Benjamin Thomas Edwards.. but she says born Liverpool..
Maybe she went back to Ireland and married there.. and eventualy came back..
1911-12ish there is a Rebecca Edwards born Dublin 1846 at 49 Romily St Kensington Liverpool she was a Lodger..
Whos the Mr Rimmer who payed for the burial ?????? i can see an initial but can't work out what it is ..
Where is Rebecca in 1881, 1891 & 1901..and who is this Ann Cunningham Thomas is living with in 1881 and her son James was the witness at his marriage too so he was very close to this family..
The only Rebecca Edwards on the census was married to a Benjamin Thomas Edwards.. but she says born Liverpool..
Maybe she went back to Ireland and married there.. and eventualy came back..
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stevegoodall
Re: Nichols
That was well spotted!colette wrote:Hi
..and who is this Ann Cunningham Thomas is living with in 1881 and her son James was the witness at his marriage too so he was very close to this family..
After cross-checking the addresses with some old maps, it looks like Thomas and James lodged together in Clare Street (at the time near Lime Street Station).
In 1901, James Cunningham had moved to Grey Road (three miles away), while Thomas remained at Clare Street with his wife and two children.
By 1911, Thomas Nicholls and family had moved to Circus Street, just round the corner, and the Cunningham's were still at Grey Road.
Not sure who Mr Rimmer is yet, but I'm working on it.
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stevegoodall
Edwards
Hi Steve
It could be C Rimmer or L Rimmer.. also meant to ask has anyone ever been to this grave.. it may have a stone with other names on it.. or if not you need to find out who else is in it.. for some clues..
Still wondering about the marriage of Benjamin Thomas Edwards to Rebecca Humphreys.. 1871 Lpool ..I can not find a Rebecca Humphreys born c 1846 in Liverpool where she says she was born..pre the marriage..which i find odd..
What if Rebecca wasn't Robert & Catheirnes child but they brought her up as there own..its a thourght as your Rebecca seems to have just disapeared in 1881 1891 & 1901.
This Rebecca who married Benjamin Thos Edwards had two children Sarah Ann and William..in 1901 they lived in Mason St Edge Hill which isnt a million liles away from ROMILY ST where your Rebecca was living in 1911.
I checked for Sarah Ann Edwards marriage incase this Mr Rimmer was her hubby but can't see a match..
Right just found something James Suett and Elizabeth who Rebecca was living with in 1911.. well they married in June 1908 Elizabeth was formaly Edwards
James was in the Cheshire Reg his service records says they married at St Mary Magdalene church 13th May 1908 her address was Lotus St hard to read but in Stoneycroft.
Her address when he was in the Army was 9 Upper Baker St and guess what street was right by it Romily St James put Gaurdian of his wife was a EJ Hamilton Suett address 19 Claribel St Princes Park Lpool.. I take that to be his mother...
1911 -12ish has a Joseph & Eliza Suett at Windsor St Toxteth..ages 63 & 65
still can't find an Elizabeth Edwards with mother Rebecca
in 1891 & 1901..
off to bed xx
It could be C Rimmer or L Rimmer.. also meant to ask has anyone ever been to this grave.. it may have a stone with other names on it.. or if not you need to find out who else is in it.. for some clues..
Still wondering about the marriage of Benjamin Thomas Edwards to Rebecca Humphreys.. 1871 Lpool ..I can not find a Rebecca Humphreys born c 1846 in Liverpool where she says she was born..pre the marriage..which i find odd..
What if Rebecca wasn't Robert & Catheirnes child but they brought her up as there own..its a thourght as your Rebecca seems to have just disapeared in 1881 1891 & 1901.
This Rebecca who married Benjamin Thos Edwards had two children Sarah Ann and William..in 1901 they lived in Mason St Edge Hill which isnt a million liles away from ROMILY ST where your Rebecca was living in 1911.
I checked for Sarah Ann Edwards marriage incase this Mr Rimmer was her hubby but can't see a match..
Right just found something James Suett and Elizabeth who Rebecca was living with in 1911.. well they married in June 1908 Elizabeth was formaly Edwards
James was in the Cheshire Reg his service records says they married at St Mary Magdalene church 13th May 1908 her address was Lotus St hard to read but in Stoneycroft.
Her address when he was in the Army was 9 Upper Baker St and guess what street was right by it Romily St
James put Gaurdian of his wife was a EJ Hamilton Suett address 19 Claribel St Princes Park Lpool.. I take that to be his mother...1911 -12ish has a Joseph & Eliza Suett at Windsor St Toxteth..ages 63 & 65
still can't find an Elizabeth Edwards with mother Rebecca
in 1891 & 1901..off to bed xx
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Reckon you have something there Colette, can you give us the birthdates of James and Elizabeth and do she give Liverpool as her birthplace?James Suett and Elizabeth who Rebecca was living with in 1911.. well they married in June 1908 Elizabeth was formaly Edwards
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Hi Mary
theres a wealth of info on James Suett's Service records WW1 letters he has written death cert of his son, Edward Norman 1917 aged 7 months..lots of addresses etc, there was ober 30 odd pages so alot for me to lok through...
Elizabeth was born in Liverpool 1884 and James also Liverpool 1885..starting to wonder if Rebecca goes by another forename..i can't make out the street in Stoneycroft when she married James Suett perhaps you could look on at the service records and see what you think.. it did not say a fathers name or witneses..
and there is a bit which says Eliza Jane Hamilton Mrs Suett unmarried wife
whcih i dont understand..if it means his unmarried wife or his mother was widowed etc...its a bit complicated ....
But at the end of the day this Elizabeth is related to Rebecca be it daughter niece etc...
xx
theres a wealth of info on James Suett's Service records WW1 letters he has written death cert of his son, Edward Norman 1917 aged 7 months..lots of addresses etc, there was ober 30 odd pages so alot for me to lok through...
Elizabeth was born in Liverpool 1884 and James also Liverpool 1885..starting to wonder if Rebecca goes by another forename..i can't make out the street in Stoneycroft when she married James Suett perhaps you could look on at the service records and see what you think.. it did not say a fathers name or witneses..
and there is a bit which says Eliza Jane Hamilton Mrs Suett unmarried wife
whcih i dont understand..if it means his unmarried wife or his mother was widowed etc...its a bit complicated ....But at the end of the day this Elizabeth is related to Rebecca be it daughter niece etc...
xx
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Working on this hunch Colette, I think a look up request for the details of the marriage would help out here, then with Elizabeth's father's name we could at least discount whether a marriage to him took place with a Rebecca, don't you think?
Steve - post a new request for a Record Office look up for the marriage of
James Suett to Elizabeth Edwards at St. Mary Magdalene, Liverpool during Q2 1908.
You may have to wait a while, but some of our crew are wonderfully kind souls and if it's possible they will take time to do it.
Steve - post a new request for a Record Office look up for the marriage of
James Suett to Elizabeth Edwards at St. Mary Magdalene, Liverpool during Q2 1908.
You may have to wait a while, but some of our crew are wonderfully kind souls and if it's possible they will take time to do it.
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I've just had a chat with my mum and she recalls an 'Aunt Liz', who was an Edwards who died in Macclesfield.
There's a Elisabeth Suett, born in Liverpool in 1884, who died in Macclesfield in 1954, so this would tie-in.
She thinks the Rimmer mentioned may have been Rimmer Ltd, a funeral director.
PS. This is amazing watching this unfold. How and where do you guys get all your information?
There's a Elisabeth Suett, born in Liverpool in 1884, who died in Macclesfield in 1954, so this would tie-in.
She thinks the Rimmer mentioned may have been Rimmer Ltd, a funeral director.
PS. This is amazing watching this unfold. How and where do you guys get all your information?
Many forum members have subscriptions to online databases, such as Ancestry.co.uk. Apart from that you might benefit from reading some of the guidelines and suggestions here http://liverpool-genealogy.org.uk/phpBB ... php?t=6937
PS you might be right about the funeral director, it doesn't look like an initial to me, very possible L with a superscript td
PS you might be right about the funeral director, it doesn't look like an initial to me, very possible L with a superscript td
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Hi
I am getting more confused now..
As the lady i mentioned on James Suetts Service records was an Eliza Jane Hamilton Mrs Suett..
I see two births for
Frederick Suett mother Edwards 1912
Sydney Suett 1913 mother Edwards dies 1914
Then
Edward Norman b 1917 Tox mother Hamilton
Herbert L b 1919 Tox Mother Hamilton
Edith M b 1921 Tox Mother Hamilton
Leonard S b 1922 mother Hamilton West Derby
Kenneth M b 1929 mother Hamilton West Derby
so i am wondering if he left Elizabeth Edwards.. and moved in with this Eliza J Hamilton but never married her..
Still doesnt help us find Rebecca ..
Theres a few people on Ancestrys family trees.. who have James Suett in their tree.. no mention of Elizabeth Edwards but one mentions Eliza Hamilton they say she was born 1896 Isle Of Man...
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I am getting more confused now..
As the lady i mentioned on James Suetts Service records was an Eliza Jane Hamilton Mrs Suett..
I see two births for
Frederick Suett mother Edwards 1912
Sydney Suett 1913 mother Edwards dies 1914
Then
Edward Norman b 1917 Tox mother Hamilton
Herbert L b 1919 Tox Mother Hamilton
Edith M b 1921 Tox Mother Hamilton
Leonard S b 1922 mother Hamilton West Derby
Kenneth M b 1929 mother Hamilton West Derby
so i am wondering if he left Elizabeth Edwards.. and moved in with this Eliza J Hamilton but never married her..
Still doesnt help us find Rebecca ..
Theres a few people on Ancestrys family trees.. who have James Suett in their tree.. no mention of Elizabeth Edwards but one mentions Eliza Hamilton they say she was born 1896 Isle Of Man...
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