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Hi this part of my family is fairly close (im on the wirral)
I have a charles such b.1868 boot manager
rowland alfred such b.1871 boot maker and dealer
they where brothers and also employed family members
adresses they lived at included
58, Milroy Street, West Derby
56 Brae Street Liverpool
29, Wrenbury Street, West Derby

can anybody shed any light on the shoe business?

Hi,

Welcome to the forum.

I have found these entries in the Liverpool Directories, listed under Boot and Shoemakers.

1881

Roland Such - 96 Granby Street & 36 Wavertree Road.

1911

Charles F Such - Manager, 56 Brae Street
Rowland Such Boot and Shoe maker 35 Marmaduke Street - Shop
36 Wavertree Road. (res 66 Nuttall Street).

Hope that helps.

Jan

thank you for the very speedy reply
are the directories in print? online? microfiche?
I think these forums will be a great place to hang arround and i hope i will be able to help others in due time
Nick Such

Hi Nick,

I have some directories on CD, a lot of them are on microfilm at Liverpool Records office.

Jan

Nick,

If you look in the For Posterity section, a few of the members have listed what directories they have, I also have 1914. I will have a look in that one and see if anything is listed.

http://liverpool-genealogy.org.uk/phpBB ... 0&start=30

Jan

Nick,

1914 Directory.

Charles F Such - Manager 56 Brae Street.
Rowland Such Boot & shoe maker 265 Stanley Road Bootle, 36 Wavertree Road.
Rowland A Such 8 Cross St Birkenhead res 71 Ennismore Road Old Swan.

Jan

well what can i say, a trip with the camera is in the offing
now, what do you think about a family myth that on my mothers side a relative had one of the first taxis in liverpool?
Frederick Slater born 1868
the 1901 census has him as a cab driver/ owner
and the 1911 census has him as a Car Proprietor

and if your realy keen i have relatives that built churches in liverpool!

many thanks
Nick

Hi Nick

1894 Kellys/Gores Directory

Chas.Fredk. Such 265 Stanley Rd Bootle
Rowland Such 36 Wavertree Road

Tina

ps no Fredk Slater

Hello Nick,
My maternal g.father Thomas and g.g.father Robert were both cabbies in Liverpool. My g.father took over his father's taxi when Robert died in 1904. Family lore says that Robert started around 1890 after he was discharged from the Army. Thomas was still cabbying, as owner/proprietor, up to the mid 1950s.

Dickiesam

Hi

couple of snippits from Liverpool Mecury Newspaper..

June 1st 1899

35 Marmaduke St, Ellen beloved wife of Rowland Such to be interred at West Derby Cemetery Sunday June 5th..

Sept 30th 1886

Charles & Rowland Such Bootmakers Wavertree Rd.. charged 2 shillings & 6d each for cruelty to a Pony making work when Lame..

colette wrote:


Sept 30th 1886

Charles & Rowland Such Bootmakers Wavertree Rd.. charged 2 shillings & 6d each for cruelty to a Pony making work when Lame..

Oh the shame

and my wife has a horse, now im in trouble,

I realy cant thank everyone enough, its embarasing that i have so many questions to ask, i promise ill ration them to only one at a time !

Hiya

Dont be worried it was a long time ago.. and maybe they only had the one Pony..they learnt their lesson..

My Great Great Gran robbed peoples doormats.. and the stick i get on here..you wouldnt believe haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

xx

colette wrote: My Great Great Gran robbed peoples doormats.. and the stick i get on here..you wouldnt believe haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

No perhaps we shouldn't comment any more .....

doormats !

Sorry couldn't resist

I must admit, doormats ???
I assume all of clean pair of heels jokes have been made

with regards to Frederick slater and the first taxi myth perhaps i should expand that it was first motorised taxi, when would these have appeared on the streets? are there any records of registered cabs?

Now ill have a hunt for my church builders and report back with who and what churches, just for interest

Nick

(Ill take my doormat in at night now)

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa


Best be safe and take it in.. her ghost may still be wandering haaaaaaa

World's First Motorized Taxi Cab Built by Mercedes



MOTOR CABS
London’s first motor cabs were electrically powered. They were called Berseys after the manager of the London Electrical Cab Company, who ran them, but were nicknamed ‘Hummingbirds’ from the sound that they made. 25 were introduced in August 1897 and by 1898 a further fifty of them were at work. Unfortunately, they proved unreliable and there were a number of accidents, including one fatality. Public confidence in them evaporated and they were withdrawn by 1900.

The first petrol powered cab in London was a French-built Prunel, introduced in 1903. Other early British makes included Rational, Simplex and Herald but these appeared in small numbers. An attempt to introduce 200 American Ford Model Bs failed through lack of finance, as did efforts by Rover and others. Some of the oddities that appeared, and disappeared almost as quickly included the Vauxhall hansom cab with its driver perched behind the body and the front wheel drive ‘Pullcar’. At the end of in 1906 there were less than 100 motor cabs in London, but the appearance of the General Cab Company’s five hundred Renault cabs revolutionised the trade. The introduction of rules for motor cab design, the Conditions of Fitness, were introduced by the licensing authority, the Public Carriage Office in 1906. One regulation, demanding a 25ft turning circle deterred many would-be manufacturers and resulted in some earlier makes being withdrawn. The most numerous makes of cab post-1906 were the Unic, introduced by dealers Mann and Overton and the Napier and Panhard, both operated by W & G du Cros. Also to be found were Fiat, Sorex, Belsize, Austin, Humber, Wolseley-Siddeley, Argyll and Darracq. The fitting of taximeters was made compulsory in 1907 and cabs thus fitted became known as ‘taxicabs’, abbreviated to ‘taxis’. Industrial action by cab drivers in 1911 over fares and in 1913 over fuel almost crippled the trade and severely reduced the number of big fleets and the manufacturers associated with them. At the outbreak of the First World War there was just one make available to buy, the Unic.

Thats very interesting, my frederick slater being a cab owner driver in 1901 and then motor dealer in 1911 must have been in at the begining of the motor trade.
I realy need to become a lot stricter with my record keeping, I started my research about 5 years ago and plodded along for a year or two, then with the release of the 1911 census i thought id fill in some blanks. Now i know i had a relation that built two churches in liverpool but cant find where ive stored the info, ive got a sneaky idea it was a James ayre b.1817 in angus
as far as i know he had a company called Newton & Ayre (Builders) and were located at 175 Wellington Rd
A previous post gave details from the liverpool mecury (mercury?) how is this searched ? if it is microfiche, how did the poster find the data so fast with just a name ?

Nick

Hi Nick,

I found James and his family in the 1861 census living at 188 Wellington Road Toxteth.

Did his son Charles A marry in 1871 Dec Q St Micheal-in-the-hamlet?

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1871
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
AYRE Charles A MIDGLEY Amelia Toxteth Park, St. Michael Liverpool 2068TP/8/322

His marriage is in the Liverpool Mercury newspaper Dec 28th

MARRIAGES

Ayre-Midgley -Dec 27 at St Michael's in the hamlet by the Rev George Cole, Charles Alty, second son of Mr Ayre- Builder to Miss Amelia Midgley both of this town.

Jan

nicke20 wrote:A previous post gave details from the liverpool mecury (mercury?) how is this searched ? if it is microfiche, how did the poster find the data so fast with just a name ?

Microfilm at the Records Office but you might find this link of use.
http://liverpool-genealogy.org.uk/phpBB ... newspapers

Thanks for pointing that out Mary, I was looking for it and you beat me to it.

I have been looking in the newspapers and the company is coming up as Nicholson & Ayre Wellington Road, a lot to do with churches etc at various dates.

I found this in the 1860 Directory

188 Wellington Road James Ayre - Builder
194 Wellngton Road Nicholson & Ayre, Joiners & Builders.

Jan