Liverpool & South West Lancashire FHS - Forum

Greetings to all in 2010, from Joe in Texas!
I am looking for anyone who might have information on or appertaining to the Cassidy family tree.

The Cassidys started out in Ireland then to Liverpool and onto Bootle.
They were in Bootle starting in the latter half of the 19th Century.
Anything is appreciated!!!

Especially looking for family information abou ta Catherine Cassidy
b in Ireland in1838, she is married in Liverpool into the Quinn Family and also the Clements/Sheridan families.

I am most interested in the years 1838-1859
Most appreciated! Joe in Texas

I'm assuming from your post that Catherine might have married in 1859, perhaps you could give details from the certificate, particularly her age, address, father's name and occupation and witnesses as well as her husband's details.

What addresses and family members do you have her on later in Bootle and earlier in Liverpool and what dates?

Do you have her on any censuses with any other family members?

What were the names of her children as naming patterns are fairly important with Irish.

Hello Joe and greeting to Texas!
I assume this is Catherine's marriage?
Sep qtr 1859: Quinn, Michael - Liverpool - 8b - 479.

Have you found her in the 1861 census? I can't see her in Lancashire. There is a Catherine with husband Michael in the 1871, with a young child.
Cheers,
Dickiesam

Ladies this is all I have so far:

Catherine Cassidy b 1837/38 Ireland married Michael Quinn b 1834 Ireland,
in 1859 3rd.Qtr Liverpool 8b 479
Children
Martin Quinn b 1862
Ellen Quinn b 1865
Michael Quinn b 1869

MICHAEL QUINN Died 1871 4th Qtr Aged 36yrs 8b 14

Catherine Quinn married Alfred Clements b 1837 Reading Berks
in 1874 3rd Qtr Liverpool 8b 411

Children ( as far as I know)
Mary A. Clements b 1879 Liverpool

Mary A.Clements married John Sherdan b 1880 in 1899

The death of the Sheridan's daughter, aged 15yr, Rose Sheridan shows in the Walker family Bible in 1920

I am trying to find a link between Catherine Cassidy b 1837/38 and
John Cassidyb 1848 Ireland and Catherine Cassidy, they and their family are found in the 1881 Census at 19 Aspinall St.Kirkdale.

The son of this family- Patrick Cassidy b 1881 married my Great Aunt Catherine Walker.

NB there is a possibility that this is she, living in Hume Manchester
Phillip Cassidy b 1811 married Mary Cassidy b 1814
Children
Catherine Cassidy b 1837
James Cassidy b 1841
Ellen Cassidy b 1850
NO CERTIFICATES SO FAR Thanks for your interest.... Joe

It would seem to be in this instance that the crucial evidence would be given on the marriage certificate - you need her father's name and occupation. Unfortunately the marriage isn't listed on LancsBMD so we are unable to request a look up from the parish registers, nor do I see it on the Liverpool History Projects site. Looks like you may have to bite the bullet and order the cert. from the GRO.

Hi Joe,
Ladies? No comment!
The 1881 census only confirms the possibility that the Catherine Quinn who married Alfred Clement is Catherine Cassidy because the 1881 census has her son Michael Quinn in the Clement household as a stepson. But her place of birth is shown as Liverpool, and her two older children aren't there. I was a little concerned because there is a Catherine Quinn [bn Ireland] of the same age imprisoned in Walton Gaol! However, the 1891 reverts to Ireland as origin so probably an error.

To add fuel to a mystery... Catherine's age in both the 1881 and 1891 gives a YoB of 1845. Did she lose nearly 10 years when she married Alfred? Or is there another Catherine Cassidy/Quinn?

Dickiesam

Dear Dickiesam, Appologies for my sexual mixup! You are the first male to show an interest in my research. It is good to also have another males input.
I cant find Catherine Clements listed in the Lancs 1891 Census !
You are right she is shown in the 1881 Lancs Census as b1845 which would mean a differential of 7 years- very strange considering that we have established that it is the same woman as Catherine (Cassidy) Quinn.

This however is not the first age differential I have encountered in my research. Yout thoughts and considerations are most welcome! Joe

Hi Joe,
Apologies accepted. I think you will find there are several of our gender who 'work' on this forum.

Now! Here's Catherine in 1891:
CLEMENTS, Alfred - Head - 54 - 1837 - Labourer General - Berkshire.
CLEMENTS, Catherine - Wife - 46 - 1845 - Ireland.
CLEMENTS, Mary Ann - Dtr - 12 - 1879 - Scholar - Liverpool, Lancashire.
HUNTER, Thomas - Boarder - Married - 45 - 1846 - Labourer General - Ireland.
HUNTER, Ralph - Son - Single - 15 - 1876 - Scholar - Liverpool, Lancashire.
RG number: RG12 Piece: 2974 Folio: 103 Page: 25
Address: 11 Hooton Place, Bootle Cum Linacre, Bootle.

Re that age loss! I have found it wasn't that unusual for a widow, especially with a young child, to lose a couple of years [even 10 in one case] to make herself a more attractive prospect to an older man. Alfred was, in reality, the same age as her and the daughter Mary Ann would have been born when Catherine was 42. If he wanted children he wouldn't have married a woman the same age as himself.

It would be worth getting the marriage cert for the Catherine/Alfred marriage to confirm her status and former name[s]. It could then be compared with the cert for her and Quinn.

A query! In 1881 there's a sister-in-law, Mary Grant, in the household. I take this to mean she is Catherine Cassidy's sister who married a Grant? What's your take on her?

Cheers,
Dickiesam

Dickiesam: I think you are correct about the Grant!

Regarding the Certificates, I am awaiting news from a relative of mine who's Father and Grandfather in Law were Cassidys, her Cassidy relatives were living in Bootle.
I have asked the question if she remembers any of he Cassidy relatives being related to QUINN, CLEMENTS, SHERIDAN or EDWARDS
( There are some Edwards in the grave)

Re 1891 census most appreciated as I could not find them on the
Genealogist!
Most appreciated Joe

Just wanted to ask my friends to bear with me as it is still going to take another two weeks before I can get the Cassidy lead from 93year old
Bess (Cassidy) McMullen. thanks joe