census lookup please for 1851/1861 and 1871

Post by **Liverbird** » 17 Dec 2009 17:15

Help please, looking for Lewis Parry and Shadrac Parry dont have any more info on either except that Lewis was a witness to Richard Evans and Sarah Jenkins in 1853 as found by Irene in record office, on checking my Gt Grandmothers marriage cert Catherine Evans (she was Richards sister) and married in 1873 to Richard Jones, a witness to their marriage was Shadrac Parry, just wondering do the Parry's show on any census as family, seems like to much of a coincidence in the surname. Also on both certs are a Mary ****? and a Mary Owen

any time will do if you can help, I realise we are so close to Christmas and everyone is busy, so all have a great time and Thanks L.B

Post by **dickiesam** » 17 Dec 2009 19:39

Hello Liverbird,
With names such as Lewis Parry and Shadrac Parry they have to be Cymraeg or from Bootle! Where did Richard Evans and Sarah Jenkins marry in 1853, and what were their respective ages then?

Dickiesam.

Post by **Tina** » 18 Dec 2009 07:20

Hi Dickiesam

Here's what Irene found for L.B
Hi Liverbird I get to the lro about 11ish and leave about 1ish, then my sis/in law and i do some xmas shopping battling the crowds RECESSION WERE not in liverpool,but its good for the shops, we have a late lunch and then head home knackered but happy
Anyway here is info 15 july
richard full age widower labourer denison st
father william evans collier
sarah full age fazackerley st father david jenkins possibly farmer
witness lewis parry and mary ????? Irene
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6890

Tina

Post by **Tina** » 18 Dec 2009 07:42

Hi All

We have a Shadrach Parry bn Wales 1828 living in Bradford married to Ann in 1871, died Yorks 1878.
# Shadrach Parry bn Llanwrst 1848 died 1875 Anglesey (possible witness?)
Shadrach bn Llanwrst 1860 (too young for a marriage witness)
#Shadrach 12 yrs servant to Owens Family 1861, Anglesey.

I don't think this is of much help.

Tina

Post by **dickiesam** » 18 Dec 2009 08:14

Hi Tina and the compliments of the season to you!

Hello again Liverbird,
Noted your reference that the Catherine Evans who married in 1873 was Richard's sister. If the family I found in 1861 is correct, RG09 - Piece 2670 - Folio 88 - Page 42, then Catherine is his daughter. Richard is 34, Sarah is 40 and Catherine is 15. This family is the only Richard and Sarah Evans in Liverpool. They are living at 10 Virginia Street.

Dickiesam

Post by **Liverbird** » 19 Dec 2009 00:05

Hi to all and thanks for your input to my query.

Dickiesam, Richard and Catherine are definatley brother and sister they are shown on the 1851 census together he is a widower of 28 yrs ( more likely to be 25 yrs of age) and she is a 6 yr old they are with their parents William and Eleanor Evans in Anglesey. The 1861 census put me off the track for years with the description of her being Richard's daughter, but her marriage cert shows them as having the same father William Evans, she married in June 1873 to my Gt Grandfather Richard Jones.

Tina, your info of Shadrac Parry is interesting, the middle one is a possibility I suppose, still would love to find any evidence of a Lewis Parry living in Liverpool around the 1850's period when Richard Evans and Sarah Jenkins married. curiousity killed the cat I know but I feel there is a connection with the Parry family stronger than friends.

Thanks once more and Happy Christmas to you both L.B

Post by **simone** » 20 Dec 2009 08:54

Hi Liverbird

1861 has
RG9; Piece: 2716; Folio: 112; Page: 43

13 Duke Street, Everton
William Morris 31 b St Wales, Pembrokeshire, Wales
Catharine Morris b 31 St Wales, Cardiganshire, Wales
Thomas Morris b 7 Mo b Liverpool
Richard Jones 23 b Anglsea St Wales, Almwch
Lewis Parry 29 b Swyd Abertine, Dehewon Cymon (can't make out what occ is

)

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RG9; Piece: 2651; Folio: 231; Page: 35

4 Croston Street, Liverpool (St Martin district)
Louis Parry 31 b Anglesey book keeper
Elizabeth Parry 27 b Anglesey
(? 1857 PARRY Lewis m JONES Elizabeth Liverpool, Our Lady & St. Nicholas & St. Anne)

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RG09 Piece:2668 Folio:14 Page:21
10 Fazakerley Street, Liverpool (parish of St Nick's, district dale street)

PARRY, Lewis Head Married M 50 1811, Stone Mason b ,Anglesea Wales
PARRY, Mary Wife Married F 50 1811, b Aberystwyth Wales
PARRY, Mary Jane Daughter Unmarried F 14 1847 b Liverpool
PARRY, Ann Daughter F 12 1849 b Liverpool
JONES, Margart Servant Unmarried F 20 1841 b Liverpool
PUGLIA, James Boarder Lodger Unmarried M 23 b 1838 Sailor Aberystwyth
ROBERTS, David Boarder Lodger Unmarried M 23 b 1838 Sailor Aberystwyth
OLIVER, Eleazer Boarder Lodger Unmarried M 23 b 1838 Sailor Aberystwyth

Sarah was living in Fazakerley Street at time of marriage

this last family in 1851
HO107; Piece: 2177; Folio: 879; Page: 58

Townson Street, Pearston? Terrace (St Martin district)
Lewis Parry 38 Rigger
Mary Parry 39
Mary Jane Parry 4
Ann Parry 2
David Morris 21

1841 census
HO107 Piece: 1360 Book/Folio: 11/40 Page:2
Llawd Park, Llanidan Anglesey
PARRY, Richard M 35 1806 Anglesey
PARRY, Ann F 35 1806 Anglesey
PARRY, Lewis M 30 1811 Anglesey - Mason

Simone x

Post by **Liverbird** » 21 Dec 2009 01:15

Hi Simone, just found your posting, what a star you are finding the Parry family living in the same street as Sarah was at her marriage. Seeing that Lewis's wife Mary was from Aberystwith as Sarah was I think this is the possible connection and could be the Mary on the marriage record as witness, seems as though Mary was running a boarding house for all from Aberystwith when you look at the sailors lodging.you have certainly given me lots to think about thank you so much for your input, I will have to settle down now with this new info.

Happy Christmas to you L.B

Post by **simone** » 21 Dec 2009 19:14

Hi Liverbird

baptism of daughter Mary Jane is on Lancs opc

Baptisms: 12 Oct 1846 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Mary Jane Parry - Child of Lewis Parry & Mary
Abode: Clay St
Occupation: Mason
Baptised by: A J Tomlin Curate

possible marriage 1845 mar q
Lewis Parry to either Mary Morris or Mary Coultart

Merry Christmas

Post by **Liverbird** » 22 Dec 2009 00:14

Hi Simone , thank you for the latest info on the Parry family I will try and follow through as much as I can from it, looks as though we are in for more snow here in the Chilterns so no christmas shopping, perhaps I can spend the time doing what I love most and put some meat on the bones you have found. Thanks once more Cheers L.B

Post by **simone** » 22 Dec 2009 09:43

Snowing here too Liverbird

maybe Mary is a Jenkins and this is a second marriage for her

let us know what you find

reckon it's likely she married at St Peters

Good Luck

Simone x

Post by **Liverbird** » 22 Dec 2009 15:29

Hi Simone, still snowing and chaos in the area, but I think I have come up with a possible conclusion to the Evans and Parry family's.

Going through census I have for my family of Evans staring me in the face in the 1851 census for Llanfinhangel Yscefiog, Anglesey where Richard at 28 yrs , widower and a collier is shown living with his family including my Gt Grandmother Catherine who is 6 yrs old. Right next door to them is a Parry family, father Owen, mother Mary but 2 young children Thomas age 12 yrs and Frances age 6 yrs.

You have found in the same 1851 census for Llawd Park, Llaniden 3 people named Parry including Lewis age 30 yrs the others being Richard and Ann both age 35yrs. Is this a possibility that these Parry's are older children of the Parry family who lived next to the Evans the age range of both families would be similar, and what I am thinking now is that the relationship was just a strong friendship from childhood, or they could be related through their parents. What I need to find now is possible birth details or the 1841 census for the Parry family to see if Lewis and co appear on it.

The census details I have was from when I was a sub payer of anc, will have to see what Father Christmas brings this year.

As Lewis Parry was a stonemason and Richard Evans was a tile layer did one give the other a lift up when they arrived in Liverpool obviously to work on the many houses being built at the time, if all this is so how lucky were they to keep in touch for so long. Cheers L.B

Post by **simone** » 22 Dec 2009 16:14

Hi Liverbird

The entry I found was for the 1841, also found the 1851 though, if you just check back on my previous post

Simone x

Post by **Liverbird** » 22 Dec 2009 16:32

Sorry mate the white stuff has addled my brain, what I need is the details of Lewis and Mary's marriage cert to see his fathers name and occupation. So I will tag on to requests for record office if there are any.Thanks for your help, I have printed everything you have found out so I can refer easier. Cheers L.B