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hello, my name is graham lea and was born at 107 rice lane (walton hospital) on the *. My mothers maiden name was Evelyn Susan Brown and my fathers name was Thomas John LEA. He was a Ladder Maker by trade. Both my parents are deceased. Would welcome any information by people who knew them or their families, my dad was from Bootle and had quite a few brothers, my mother had 2 sisters named Dolly and Freda. Dollys' marriage name was Tasker, Billy was her husband and Fredas' marriage name was Ball, her husbands name was John.
Welcome any information,
thanking you in anticipation
graham lea

* Edited - birth date of a living person removed.

Hi and welcome to the forum.

This site is mainly for genealogy rather than present day, however, if you are looking for more living relatives we have put some suggestions together, here
http://liverpool-genealogy.org.uk/phpBB ... php?t=8154

Hi Mary
Can we suggest another forum in a pm do you think?
Not sure of the protocol

Tina

Is it something more than we already have in the link I gave? If so why not add it on, I know how difficult it is for people looking for living relatives, so every little extra helps especially as it's not necessarily a subject we specialise in on here - not that we wouldn't help if we could

Hi Graham

who knew them or their families

Would I be right in assuming that you are trying to find out about Evelyn and Thomas's parents etc

If so - this is your parents marriage

Thomas J Lea to EVELINE S Brown December qtr 1940 Bootle Volume 8B Page 717

Do you have copies of your parents birth certs as these will give their parents names and also their mothers maiden name. This information will help to trace their ancestry

This is your mothers birth registration and her mothers maiden name was Lewis

Eveline S Brown Mother's Maiden Surname: Lewis
March qtr 1922 West Derby Volume 8b Page 652

Possible marriages

John Brown and Ellen Lewis in 1916

Richard Brown to Ethel Lewis in 1915 (likeliest)

Do you know if either of these couples were your grandparents

These are her sisters birth registrations

Freda E Brown Mother's Maiden Surname: Lewis
September qtr 1916 West Derby Volume 8b Page 655

Dorothea Brown Mother's Maiden Surname: Lewis
December qtr 1918 West Derby Volume 8b Page 539

CaroleW wrote:This is your mothers birth registration and her mothers maiden name was Lewis

Eveline S Brown Mother's Maiden Surname: Lewis
March qtr 1922 West Derby Volume 8b Page 652

Thanks Carole for your reply
Had an aunty Ethel living in Bootle and my granmother as far as I can remember lived round the corner from her, whom we used to visit regular on a Sunday. Their was a factory on the corner,( a Toffee Factory?) and my granmother lived on a road/street on the right hand side which began with a (O), Olive ? also had an aunty Aida who hads a couple of daughters and lived near Southport, she was related on my fathers side.
Freda had two daughters, dorethy and Irene and a son named leslie.
Can't figure out how dots mothers' (Freda) maiden name was Lewis when mums' and dollys maiden name was Brown. Looking forward to your reply, Graham
Richard Brown to Ethel Lewis in 1915 (likeliest)

Hi Graham

I think you have mis-read my reply. Freda was BROWN and it was her mothers maiden name that was Lewis

These are her sisters birth registrations

Freda E Brown Mother's Maiden Surname: Lewis
September qtr 1916 West Derby Volume 8b Page 655

Dorothea Brown Mother's Maiden Surname: Lewis
December qtr 1918 West Derby Volume 8b Page 539

Is your reply confirming that your grandparents were Richard Brown and Ethel Lewis?

If so - you need to buy a copy of that marriage certificate to progress your ancestry further.

We need to know the names and occupations of Richard and Ethel's fathers and also how old Richard and Ethel were when the married to help us trace the right census entries. Their marriage cert will give us that information

The 1901 census has a number of Ethel Lewis/Richard Brown entries born in the late 1880's/early1890's so we need the info from the marriage cert to try and work out the right ones

If you are unsure whether Richard and Ethel were your grandparents then you need to buy a copy of Eveline's birth cert to confirm her parents names

Hi Graham

I was interested in your post about your family living in Bootle, can you give a rough date on when you visited your grandmother in Bootle, and you mention an aunty Ethel, do you happen to know her surname if she was married?

The Toffee factory was Williams's Toffee works, that was in Waterworks Street, I am puzzled with the street beginning with O beng near there, the only one that comes to mind is Olivia Street which is the other end of Bootle, more the Kirkdale end.

Jan

For the peepers.

I asked Graham in PM some questions about his family and he tells me his father Thomas John Lea died in 1960 age 51.


1901 RG13 folio 97 page 36 42 Macbeth Street Kirkdale

Thomas Lea head married age 47 House Painter born Bootle
Sarah E wife age 46 born Liverpool
Edward James son age 24 house painter
THOMAS age 18 Wood Sawyer
William George son age 15 Wood Sawyer
John Arthur son age 11
Annie Dau age 8
Herbert age 5

All children born Bootle

at 57 Beatrice Street, Bootle 1911 Directory Thomas Lea - Painter

I have them in 1891 and 1881 which I will post later.

Edited

Jan

1891 census

RG12 2969 folio 113 page 43 5 Recreation Street, Bootle

Thomas Lea married head age 36 Painer born Bootle
Sarah E wife age 34
Edward J son age 15
Thomas son 8
William G son 6
John A son 1

1881

RG11 3693 folio 53 page 40 6 Recreation Street Bootle

Thomas Lea Head Married age 27 journeyman Painter born Bootle
Sarah E wife age 26 bn Liverpool
Edward J son 4
Elizabeth daughter age 2
Amy dau age 2 months
John Lea boarder age 24 Ag labourer
Edward Lea Boarder age 15 Ag Labourer

All others born Bootle.

Jan

Graham

1911 at 31 Macbeth Street,
Thomas Lea 28 -
Susanah Lea 23
Edward James Lea - Son - 4 -
Thomas John Lea - Son - 2 -
Also 1911 at 57 Beatrice Street

Thomas Lea - 57 -
Sarah - 55
William G - 25 -
John Arthur - 21 - Annie - 18
Herbert - 15

PM me with e-mail as I have other information
Eileen

1914 Directory

16 Miranda Road Kirkdale Thomas Lea - Sawyer

Jan

HI Jan & Eileen
I've just posted more info in the Bootle forum regarding Lea family if you'd like to have a squizz to save duplication.

Tina

Good suggestion Mary & thanks

Here's the link to Bootle posting

http://www.bootlehistory.co.uk/forum/vi ... php?t=9609

Tina

I suggested that Tina post the link since I wonder if there may have been more recent findings ie living people - which we wouldn't be comfortable about posting on this forum.

If this is the case, perhaps the other forum might be able to deal with current events, whereas this forum would be kept for historical research.

Hi Mary
There have been some good posts in the other forum about the Brown's.

Tina

Just to update about the Brown's

Eveline Susie Brown born November 1921, father Frederick Brown Ships Rigger, mother Jane Brown, late Jones, formerly Lewis, 126 Knowsley Road, Bootle

I found this marriage in 1914


England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
about Frederick Brown
Name: Frederick Brown
Year of Registration: 1914
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Spouse's Surname: Jones
District: West Derby
County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 1077

There is a Jane Jones also on the index

Lancs BMD also has the marriage WD Reg Office or Reg attended.

Jan

Hi Jan
Thanks for info.
So Jane was married twice?

There is a marr in Lancs BMD 1910 of Jane Lewis to James C Jones
WD R.O or registrar attended.

Cheers
Tina