marrriage lookup please 1850's

[Liverbird]

Hi to all and a Happy Christmas to everyone. This is a very long shot but can I please ask if any one can help with a marriage for a Richard Evans who I know married a lady named Sarah ? I believe it may be he married in Liverpool around the era of the middle 1850's. In 1851 he is in Anglesey shown as a widower and in 1861 he is married in Liverpool.

He was an elder brother to my Gt Grandmother Catherine, he came from Llanfinhengal Yscefiog, Gaerwen, Anglesey and from census details his wife was from Aberystwith, Montgomery.

This couple brought my Gt Grandmother up in Liverpool, first showing all together in 1861, they were living at Virginia St in the municipal and ecclesiastical district of St Pauls and Richards profession had changed from a Collier to Tile Layer which he shows as in all later census, (a transcribers mistake shows my Gt Grandmother at the age of 15 yrs as their daughter)

I know Richard was a widower when he was in his 20's in Wales, his father was named William Evans and was a collier and this is all the info I have that may identify any marriage. This couple must have adored my Gt Grandmother as they are still shown on the 1881 census with her and her own young family, and yet they appear to have had no children of their own, I can only think they were very special people. If any one can shed any light I would be so pleased, it is impossible for me to do any searches in Liverpool personally in records etc because of distance.
Thank you. Cheers for now L.B

[Tina]

Hi L.B
I was surprised to find only one Richard Evans to Sarah, Lpool rego in the 1850s...Sarah Jenkins sep qtr 1853 (Free BMD)
The marriage is in Lancs BMD at St Peters.

Thanks for Christmas wishes and all the very best to you and your family.

Cheers
Tina

[Liverbird]

Thanks for that Tina, it looks a good possibility and the church would fit the area, I will certainly think on this one. What now? do I send for a cert with this info or try and find more details via another route without a cert. I have always gone down the route of certificates but without the brides name for certain and Richard's fathers name William being common to the Welsh.

By the way I tried to change my avatar to a Christmas one (I have a couple, boasting) but as you can see I have succeeded in deleting my original. how do you do it?

Cheers for now L.B

[Tina]

Hi L.B
We need to find Sarah Jenkins in 1851 befoe her marriage.
Perhaps she was already in Lpool or was still in Wales.
Please can you give her age in your 1861 census?


Thanks

Tina

[Liverbird]

Hi Tina, Thanks for your interest in my posting.

In all census Sarah is consistent with her birthplace Aberystwith, only her age differs. I would say the first two census are more correct showing her at 40yrs and 49yrs as you can see there are vast differences in Richards age, but the last census of 1881 seems miles out for both of them.

1861 census Sarah is showing as 40yrs old her husband Richard is shown as 34 yrs. 6 yrs difference

1871 census Sarah is shown as 49 years old and her husband Richard 46yrs at 21 Upper Baker St 3 yrs difference

1881 Census Sarah is shown as 64 yrs old and Richard is 63yrs
1yr difference he is catching up in age fast, they were living at 4 house , 1 court, Torr Street with Catherine and Richard Jones and family, my Gt Grandparents. After this they dissapear so perhaps poor souls passed away after a lifetime of caring.

By the way mate, should you not be getting ready for bed now? but all your help much appreciated, Cheers L.B

[simone]

Hi

did a search on Sarah Jenkins born Aberyswith, but didn't put any counties or year of birth in. This is only one that came up for 1851
HO107 Piece:2175 Folio:843 Page:15
at Walkers Lane, Tranmere

BEAZLEY, James Head Married M 32 1819 General Merchant Gosport Hampshire
BEAZLEY, Jessia Wife Married F 32 1819 Gosport
Hampshire
BEAZLEY, James H Son M 3 1848 Wallasey Cheshire
BEAZLEY, Anna Daughter F 2 1849 Tranmere Cheshire
BEAZLEY, Robert Son M 1 1850 Tranmere Cheshire
BELL, Mary Servant Unmarried F 24 1827 General Servant Hadlow
Scotland
JENKINS, Sarah Servant Unmarried F 32 1819 General Servant Man Aberystwith Wales
HAMILTON, Fanny Servant Unmarried F 25 1826 General Servant Man
Cornwell Scotland


Simone x

[simone]

Hi

You could put a lookup request on for that marriage at St Peters. I'm sure someone would have a look for you when they are going to the record office

Simone x

[Liverbird]

Hi Simone, how kind of you to look that up for me. It could be her as there is only 2 yrs between the birth year if the first census I have her on in 1861 shows her correct age.

Not too sure about making a seperate request for any one looking up the records as I know each request takes up valuable web/forum space. Perhaps if some one looks at this post I might be lucky enough for some one who is going to the record office to offer to peep, if not then I will try again in the New Year, Thank you so much for your help, Happy Christmas, cheers L.B

[Tina]

Hi L.B
Why not wait until Mary reads your post. She will be able to advise whether or not to post a look up as a new thread or tag on to someone else's.
Had a look in 1841(Wales), can't find Aberystwyth...in Glam.
GenUK says it's in Cardiganshire.
Modern info says Cardigan Bay.
Sorry me dear not much help.

Tina

[MaryA]

The last time I was lucky enough to get the time to go to the Record Office I asked for a list and was glad that all requests were in one place to save me searching all over the forum. I suspect others might appreciate the same.

Perhaps you could tag your request onto John's http://liverpool-genealogy.org.uk/phpBB ... php?t=8259

[Tina]

Thanks Mary...

Tina

p.s Is Peter doing our snow again this year???

[Liverbird]

Hi Mary, thank you for the suggestion of tagging on to John's request and hope that some one is able at some point be able to help out, I dont get much chance to come home now were I could do a search myself. Can you tell me please is there any way facts on certificates i.e parent, birthplace, or witness's and address's can be searched without going personally to a record office, also are records of counties only held in the county they relate to?

All the best for Christmas and New Year, the snow is lovely just hope we dont get the real stuff like we had last year, cheers L.B

P>S Thanks Tina

[MaryA]

When you get the details post them on this thread and I'm sure the crew will help out with any census look ups for the witnesses, or directories.

[Tina]

Hi everyone
L.B I feel Simone's find in 1851 is just great about Sarah Jenkins, her birthplace & that she is in Birkenhead, so close to Lpool.
I just wish I could find her in 1841.
In the LDS library they list Aberystwyth as Cardigan
Fingers crossed for results of marriage look up.

Warmies
Tina

[Liverbird]

As always a wonderful response, how lucky are we as a forum, thank you.

Tina on the 1861 census the enumerator/transcriber? has Aberwystith , Mon. On the 1871 and 1881 it is plain Aberystwith

so would Mon stand for Montgomery or Monmouthshire, I suppose I have made an error in presuming the county, I will have to check out the county properly, sorry. Cheers L.B

[MaryA]

To be honest unless you are positive that the place you are searching for is slap bang in the middle of a county, I never take it for granted that the county given is accurate as boundaries often changed over the years or even went straight through a village. Best to be a little flexible when searching.

[Liverbird]

Thanks Mary for the tip, I know boundaries are changing all the while, can you imagine in time to come when some one researchs our area and suddenly find their looking for Merseyside.

Call me old fashioned, I still cringe at it and write Liverpool, Lancashire. Perhaps that's why none of my mail get delivered up there to my relations. cheers L.B

[Liverbird]

Hi Tina, Mary and Simone. Bingo thanks to Irene , Cheers L.B