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Is there anyone able to visit Warrington Library, Museum St., and look at St.Elphin's baptisms c 1775; in particular for a Susan Garrett.

I would be so grateful if anyone who is going, could look for this baptism !

Hopefully,

Glenys

Hi Glenys,
Am going tomorrow 'cos its late night till 7pm - I'll give it a look for you.
Donna

Wonderful Donna - thanks in advance.

Glenys

Hi Glenys,

Well had a quick look and found a Susannah Garnit baptised 29 Jan 1775 to Jeremiah, maltman and Mary his wife.

Garnit/Garnet isn't too dissimilar to Garret so it could be her.

On igi I also saw another Susannah Garnet chr 27th Aug 1775 also in Warrington to parents William and Jane but I didn't see it on the film although there were some feint entries so it may have been there and I missed it. Plus there seem several other Garnet/Garret entries in Warrington.

This couple (Wm and Jane) appear to have children entered as Garrett and Garnet so the two names are probably the same family.

I'll leave that with you then. I suppose the only way to check all the entries are the same family is to check each entry and see if father's occupation/abode could help clarify which belong together. Also with the 2 Susannahs you could search for a possible death of one of them as a child where parents may be entered and so possibly reveal the one remaining.

I could leave it for my next visit, possibly next week, and see what I can find or you may want to visit Warrington, Lancashire or Cheshire records office. Pity the Lan-opc site isn't up to date yet!
Good luck
Donna

Donna,

Ta ever so much for going to the trouble of doing my look-up - I do appreciate it.

I will now ponder over the info you have given me.

At the moment I am not able to get to Warrington; will p.m. you


Glenys

Hi Glenys,
Been to the library again tonight.

I looked up the entries for the baptisms I'd told you about.

The couple William and Jane (nee Owen) have 9 children listed in the igi's born between 1756 and 1780. The first one and the last 2 were entered as Garnet and the other 6 were entered as Garret. All 9 children state their parents as William and Jane with William's occupation being a cooper in the parish records so I think they are all of the same parents with Garret being the most likely name as most were listed as this. And they do look very much like 'Garrett' The 8'th child to this couple was Susannah 'Garnit' baptised 27 Aug 1775, father William also a cooper. There was no place of abode listed in these entries.

The couple Jeremy/Jeremiah and Mary (nee Langley) have 4 children recorded as Garnet between 1775 and 1786, the eldest being Susannah baptised 29 Jan 1775 and Jeremy is a maltster. Since all 4 children are listed as Garnet (and it did look clearly like Garnet) I think this is most likely their name.

I did check 4 years or so from early 1775 for any possible deaths of either Susannah but I found none.

I did wonder what age your Susannah records in the census returns. Although ages can vary a little and these 2 were born in the same year the older of the 2 (to Jeremy and Mary) should record her age as 66 in 1841, 76 in 1851 etc while the other one should/may show as one year younger as it looks likely she was born later in the year and so wouldn't have had a birthday at the time the census were recorded. Just a thought.

I haven't found a marriage for either Susannah that may rule one out so I'm not sure what could be done next. Perhaps I could continue looking for a death of one of them where I left off tonight. Maybe next week then.

What do you think?

Regards
Donna

Thanks Donna,

Will read and digest the info you have found for me, and get back to you.

Glenys

Some time ago Donnad was very kind in finding a lot of information for me on the Garrets/Garnets/Garnits from the parish registers of St.Elphins, Warrington.

1841 census for my gt.gt.grandfather, Rbt.Henry Whitford, and first wife Ellen, plus children, had and Ellen Daniels, 84, and Susan Garratt 64, living Scotland Rd., Liverpool.

1851 census - 233 Scotland Rd., Liverpool, Rbt.H.Whitford, wife and children, again Susan Garret, gt. aunt, unmarried 75, born Warrington.

1861 census -233 Scotland Rd., Liverpool, Rbt.H.Whitford, children, again
Susan Garrett, gt.grand aunt, single, 86.

With Donna's help I found that Susan was born to William and Jane Garret/Garnet, 1775 Warrington. Death certificate obtained 7th March 1866, agfed 91 years, 72 Salop St., Kirkdale. Informant Rb. H.Whitford.

I have obtained death certificate for Ellen Daniels :-

3 July 1846, 1 Virgil St., Liverpool, aged 88 yrs, widow of John Daniels, bricklayer - he was informant.

1841 census finds John b.c. 1800, wife Martha and children, living 8 Virgil St., Kirkdale.

According to I.G.I. John's birth 19 November 1799, baptism 16 February 1800, St.Nicholas, Liverpool. Father John Daniels, mother: ELLEN GARRAD

The I.G.I. for two other children of John and Ellen show "GARRETT"

I haven't, as yet, found a marriage for this couple.

It looks I have found the link between Susan Garrett and Ellen Daniels but.......................exactly how are they connected and how are they connected to Robert Henry Whitford ????

If possible, I would like to find baptism for Ellen Garrett (spelling?) c. 1758. I am assuming this was Warrington.


Glenys

Should have inserted in above ---

Children of John and Ellen Daniels as follows:-

Elizabeth 1788, St.Nicholas, Liverpool; no surname for Ellen.
Sarah 1790 - do -
William 1792 - do -
Henry 1795 - do - GARRETT
John 1799 - do - GARRARD
Thomas 1802 - do - GARRATT

On my CD not many Garretts of Warrington but thought I'd add one for your file, just in case.
In the list of Wills now preserved in the Probate Registry of Chester
Garrett, Martha, of Acton Grange, but at her death of Warrington, widow 1769

Nothing under the spelling Garnet etc.

Morning Mary,

Thank you for the info re will; I will add it to my notes.

Glenys

My thoughts are that if you saw the Will you never know who might be named in it.

Update.

At last I have found the connection between Robert Henry Whitford - Ellen Daniels and Susan Garret...................

Susan Garret 1775-1866 wasn't, as the 1851 census suggested, the gt. aunt of R.H.W. but the gt. aunt of his first wife, Ellen Mae Brown, Ellen Daniels 1758-1846 was in fact Ellen Mae's grandma. !
Ellen Mae's ma was Elizabeth Brown nee Daniels, 1788-1866, daughter of John and Ellen Daniels, as was Susan Garret.1775 - 1866.

Thanks once again to Donna for all her help.

Glenys

Well done, good result! and thanks Donna, we have lovely Society members.

Mary,
I should have also thanked you for your help
Glenys

big g wrote:Mary,
I should have also thanked you for your help

I don't believe I had much input in this, certainly not enough to take much credit for.