Cold case - my Grandmother
Posted: 08 Nov 2009 17:00
On 24 July 1901 at Parish church of Wallasey (St Hilary)
John Dobson 41 widower insurance clerk 17 Newlands Drive Wallasey father John Dobson deceased wood salesman
married
Elizabeth Jones 28 spinster 17 Newlands Drive Wallasey George Jones Shipbuilder
witnesses George Dobson M J Jones
The address is where they then lived and as far as I know was unoccupied in the 1901 census
A notice was placed in the Echo on 26 July 1901
Dobson - Jones July 24 at Wallasey Parish Church John Dobson to Lily Jones.
The 1901 census taken on 31 March 1901 shows John aged 40 living in Anfield ( I know all about John)
1911 census taken 2 April 1911 131 wallasey Road Liscard
John Dobson H M 50 insurance clerk born Liverpool
Elziabeth Dobson wife 38 married 9 years 4 children 2 living 2 dead bn Liverpool
Dorothy Dobson daughter 7 bn Wallasey
Cyril George Dobson son 9 months bn Wallasey
Alice Dickinson 19 servant bn St Helens
John was born 21 May 1860. He strikes me as very particular with ages etc correctly giving his age 40 in 1901 on the census and 4 months later 41 at marriage. Again in 1901 he records they'd been married 9 years it was almost 10. I think it is very likely that he was as careful with his wife's age.
Based on this I think Elizabeth has to have been born in the September or December Quarter of1872 or March Quarter or 1873.
Unforunately her death certificate shows her as 83 at death on 1 April 1954 which would take her birth back a year. However I am still inclined to go with the earlier facts.
She is definitely referred to as Lily or Lil in some things but shows as Elizabeth on her marriage and my mother's birth certifciate. She buys her husband's grave as Lily.
From some photos she appears to have an elder sister is this the M J Jones? There is also possibility that Jane comes into somehwere possibly a sister?
So can anyone find me an Elizabeth or Lily Jones born second half of 1872 or beginning of 1873 in Liverpool with a father called George who is in shipbuilding and has an older sister who may be Jane or M J Jones?
Forgot to say I think George Jones was alive in 1901 as John has correctly said his father was deceased and so they would have I reckon said if Elizabeth's father was dead.
Noone seems to know anything about her. I don't remember my mother speaking of her mother and myonly aunt on this side says she knows nothing and can't remember her husband Cyril speaking of his mother or her family.
All suggestions gratefully received
Ed Officer
PS some of you will remeber us looking for her before - just hoping someone might have a brilliant suggestion.
John Dobson 41 widower insurance clerk 17 Newlands Drive Wallasey father John Dobson deceased wood salesman
married
Elizabeth Jones 28 spinster 17 Newlands Drive Wallasey George Jones Shipbuilder
witnesses George Dobson M J Jones
The address is where they then lived and as far as I know was unoccupied in the 1901 census
A notice was placed in the Echo on 26 July 1901
Dobson - Jones July 24 at Wallasey Parish Church John Dobson to Lily Jones.
The 1901 census taken on 31 March 1901 shows John aged 40 living in Anfield ( I know all about John)
1911 census taken 2 April 1911 131 wallasey Road Liscard
John Dobson H M 50 insurance clerk born Liverpool
Elziabeth Dobson wife 38 married 9 years 4 children 2 living 2 dead bn Liverpool
Dorothy Dobson daughter 7 bn Wallasey
Cyril George Dobson son 9 months bn Wallasey
Alice Dickinson 19 servant bn St Helens
John was born 21 May 1860. He strikes me as very particular with ages etc correctly giving his age 40 in 1901 on the census and 4 months later 41 at marriage. Again in 1901 he records they'd been married 9 years it was almost 10. I think it is very likely that he was as careful with his wife's age.
Based on this I think Elizabeth has to have been born in the September or December Quarter of1872 or March Quarter or 1873.
Unforunately her death certificate shows her as 83 at death on 1 April 1954 which would take her birth back a year. However I am still inclined to go with the earlier facts.
She is definitely referred to as Lily or Lil in some things but shows as Elizabeth on her marriage and my mother's birth certifciate. She buys her husband's grave as Lily.
From some photos she appears to have an elder sister is this the M J Jones? There is also possibility that Jane comes into somehwere possibly a sister?
So can anyone find me an Elizabeth or Lily Jones born second half of 1872 or beginning of 1873 in Liverpool with a father called George who is in shipbuilding and has an older sister who may be Jane or M J Jones?
Forgot to say I think George Jones was alive in 1901 as John has correctly said his father was deceased and so they would have I reckon said if Elizabeth's father was dead.
Noone seems to know anything about her. I don't remember my mother speaking of her mother and myonly aunt on this side says she knows nothing and can't remember her husband Cyril speaking of his mother or her family.
All suggestions gratefully received
Ed Officer
PS some of you will remeber us looking for her before - just hoping someone might have a brilliant suggestion.
but are you certain MJ Jones is female... just a thought!
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Have you any details about George Jones, dob, wife's name etc?
Have you ever sent for any certs, or just couldn't face the thought of ploughing through them all? 
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)) you take the bow please.I am so chuffed at my first attempt to put something back into this great forum